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  1. The lockdown was not free it was paid for by borrowed money which has to be paid back. This cannot be constantly repeated as at some point we will become over committed the cost of borrowing will increase and not be possible.
    It needs to be accepted that extermination of this virus is impossible as is the extermination of cancer or strokes or a miriade of other illnesses . These other illnesses theoretical could be wiped out with regular medical checks and tests paid for by the government but we cannot afford to do that so we live with them. l believe this is will be the outcome with this virus.
    We did the right think to get on top of it now is the time to be realistic and live with it until a vaccine is found and develope the best tracing system possible

    1. Trev your comment reflect what many others are suggesting but no the logic is not viable.
      Firstly cancer and stroke tend to be conditions that develop over a long period with lifestyle and age playing a part. They both usually have some prospect of being treated when discovered but sometimes discovery is after death. The both are treated by the Public Health system. To wipe out stroke and cancer you would need a radical change in how Kiwis feed and care for children.

      The only successful control of covid19 involves shutting down the spread of infection.

      NZ appeared to have done that successfully but a new source of non community sourced infection has arisen.
      Allowing the virus to be virtually eliminated is a lot cheaper than allowing ongoing infections which will overload the health system and economy possibly ad finitum or for years.
      There is no vaccine yet that has shown to perform immunity over a long period. The socially expensive so called “herd immunity” may not exist in spite of radical claims made with dodgy data. Sweden does not have “herd Immunity”. Information sources need to be carefully checked.

      SARS was controlled by controlling infection not a vaccine and still a SARS vaccine for universal use has not been developed after16 years.

  2. Viruses can’t be “got rid off”. There are uncountable virii world-wide. There’s plentiful research available, notably that of Dr Russell Blaylock:
    https://www.technocracy.news/blaylock-face-masks-pose-serious-risks-to-the-healthy/
    Denis Rancourt is another who has published re the lack of safety re mask-wearing re Covid-19. It is obvious that neither the PM nor the DG of Health have read any of the above researchers’ writings, nor any other comparable research. As a (retd) NZRN, I used masks for many years in the course of my work, but never as people are using them now – INCORRECTLY! Most mask-wearers are not ‘wearing’ their mask correctly, are constantly contaminating the mask they are “wearing”, removing the mask to smoke, etc., etc. I’m listening to Jim Mora & someone is spouting more ignorance re the “necessity” to wear masks!

  3. You are right Pat. The quick move to Level four was driven by pressure from medical science and frontline health professionals. And it worked to get to ‘elimination’ which was defined as no active cases for an extended period of time.

    That has not changed. The medical science pressure continues and the goal remains elimination.

    The rapid response this time was the result of the system put in place the first time and improved since. One cluster has been contained, while its origin is still to be found. Gene technology is only as good as the border testing but it seems that a breach of quarantine at the border is less likely than transmission through frozen or chilled goods.

    There is no scientific reason that with the political will necessary the source cannot be found and a return to the elimination strategy achieved.

    It is true that finance capital is pushing for opening up the borders at the expense of human lives, and the National Opposition and anti-science conspiracy theories are pushing in the same direction. So the question is what political plan do we need.

    The Maori Party solution is bizarre. It wants us to go to Level 4 and abandon the election well short of the 100 active cases you use as the trigger.

    Wrong on two counts.

    First, no need to shut down the economy when we can tighten the controls easily by making compulsory PPE and regular testing at all points of entry including that of chilled cargo.

    A Level 4 shutdown works against the productive economy providing jobs and goods to meet the needs of workers. Workers through their unions can move to take control of the safeguards necessary in the workplace.

    Second, the Covid strategy being administered by the Labour government is working. Delaying or abandoning the election at this point would jeopardize that strategy and open the country to the forces of the class enemy that wants to replace that strategy for the Trumpian/Bolsonaro/Modi strategy of making working people pay with their lives for the failing capitalist system.

    The plan for NZ working people should be to get behind the Labour Government and work for the its return on September 19 as a majority government not bound by any deals with coalition partners holding back the social ‘transformation’ promised in 2017.

    That way we can put Labour to the test. Must it succumb to the pressure from the ruling class to force a compromise where profits trump people’s lives despite pressure from below?

    While some of us will say yes, the vast majority will disagree.

    If (or when) it does then the working people will need their own plan for a mass workers’ party to fight for a government that will solve the looming capitalist crisis of a long depression, compounded by the climate emergency as well the certainty of further pandemics.

    1. Dave; Simple way is to test test test as WHO said we should on 17th March 2020; – and now follow what China did when they mass tested all 11 million residents of Yuhan within five days, so can we can’t we?.

  4. This new Covid outbreak may be a blessing in disguise. We are all guilty of being complacent and what do you expect when we had 102 days Covid free. This 102 days lulled us into a false sense of security. Now we know how important tracking and tracing is, wearing masks, getting tested especially if we have symptoms. Our government has given us the the room to make decisions and to be responsible ourselves. We need to take advantage of this so they don’t have to enforce mandatory masks wearing or tracking us. We need to start planning on how we can keep businesses open under different levels. We need to be vigilant it is no good fighting amongst ourselves or blaming this will only make matters worse. We also need to look around us, the rest of the world is in a mess. We need to be thankful for what we have and where we are as this has protected us.

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