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  1. Well what I think happened on Jan 6 was a protest against a not unreasonably perceived gerrymandered election. There was plenty being claimed by serious high profile personalities , and multiple court cases in process to give reason for people to suspect that the Democrats had done a wide range of things to change the way voting had previously been done in the US to their advantage, whatever a distant observer from here might decide was fair and right. Most Republican supporters and quite a number of democrat supporters stipp believe that that election was stolen.
    They mounted a protest without much planning or any clear organised and agreed objective.
    My prediction is that all the results will be as suggested here but without any abnormal (for America) amount of violence. The republicans will sweep the mid terms without any need to cheat and Biden of god forbid Kamala, will be as lame a duck as can be. Leaving “24 a walk in for Trump or whoever replaces him if he decides against running again.
    So we will see won’t we.
    D J S

    1. “…..whatever a distant observer from here might decide was fair and right” David Stone

      We are indeed distant, why a lot of this post has quotes from an eye witness account that was as physically close to these events as possible.

      That these events are similar to the failed Beer Hall Putch, is my judgement of these reported events.

      “Well what I think happened on Jan 6 was a protest against a not unreasonably perceived gerrymandered election.” David Stone

      A “protest”?

      Really?

      Trump’s insurrectionists [unlike Hitler’s insurrectionists], were not able to capture and hold at gunpoint any lawmakers, came down to luck and the bravery and quick thinking of badly outnumbered police and Capital Building security officers, more than any lack of resolve of the plotters.

      I have put up a credible blow by blow account by Luke Mogelson reporting from inside the assault on the US Capitol.

      I made my judgement based on Luke Mogelson’s account.

      D.S., just like me, you are a distant observer and have to back up your judgement of these events from those who were there.

      D.S. If you have any other account from [anyone] to back your judgement that this was a “protest’ and not a coup attempt. Put it up. Let’s see if we can back your judgement.

    2. Trump was responsible for the deaths of people at the “protest”.
      There was no “cheating”, Trumps hand picked judiciary confirmed this. Why are people so brainwashed by the Qanon theory?
      If you believe Biden cheated, prove it?
      My prediction is Trump will be imprisoned by 2024.

    3. All court cases dismissed which leaves your theories in tatters. None of your “theories” or accusations have been proven. However in order to promote fairness David Stone, I’m happy for you to provide the evidence(not heresay) so as I can be corrected. It’s not unreasonable to perceive you have made up your mind when you choose words like cheating( without evidence)in the same sentence with Biden and using words like “god forbid Kamala”. This is where critical thinking is imperative, rather than your personal dislike of Biden and Kamala.

      1. Could you perhaps site some of those “dismissed” court cases and what the verdicts were? because what I have read though it was a while ago now , and I haven’t bookmarked anything, is that no court has ever been prepared to hear any of the cases brought, claiming a lack of jurisdiction to make a judgement.
        All we have on either side of this debate is hearsay. If anyone on either side of the issue could produce incontestable evidence it would not be an issue of discussion.
        D J S

          1. “Similarly, on Dec. 12, the U.S. Supreme Court rejected a long-shot lawsuit by the state of Texas and backed by Trump”
            “Rejecting” or “dismissing” law suits is not hearing them by definition. The judiciary has avoided looking at any of the complaints by one means or another.
            I can see the reasoning behind the courts taking this approach as they probably see preserving the appearance of a viable democracy is more important than actually having one. Probably in the hope that the system can be fixed (repaired) to restore free and fair elections before the next one is run. The repercussions of a fair trial that established that at least a part of the process was rigged would collapse the whole idea that the USA is the pillar of world democracy and do untold damage to her international standing as well as domestic confidence.
            The polling that suggests over 70% of Republican voters and if I remember right 20% of Democrat voters now believe the election was stolen would seem to say that the judiciary have been mistaken in that responce and that they woul have served the perception of election integrity much better to have allowed some of those cases to proceed even if the did prove fraud. At least it would have shown that there was ab ackup legal system that worked. As it is both the electoral system and the legal system in America look decidedly corrupt.
            There is much about the process , like making people in poor and black communities wait in queues for hours when they need to be at work in Republican controlled states that isn’t democratic either.
            D J S
            D J S

          2. So very many hypotheticals, however the overall conclusion is that the election like supposedly every other was fair unless of course any Republican presidency was also won by cheating. I guess we’ll never ever know.

  2. ‘Well what I think happened on Jan 6 was a protest against a not unreasonably perceived gerrymandered election.”

    Lols. The claim wasn’t gerrymandering, it was fraud. You can’t gerrymander a presidential election.

    Your perception isn’t evidence.

  3. Trump’s ‘greatest crime’ was to be neither of the two choices provided by the ruling classes.

    Many other countries around the world have made that mistake and there is a very long, well documented history of those people being removed by any means possible. It is not a long stretch to believe that they did the same in their own country.

    I believe Trump is a terrible person (for many well documented reasons). I wouldn’t haven’t voted for him (or Hilary), but that doesn’t mean I am gullible enough to believe the propaganda.

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