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  1. You are assuming the move to level 3 in Auckland was from over confidence.

    Judging by the tao dancing and obfuscation it’s far more likely deliberate- it’s certainly highly convenient for the government to have the virus get here (despite their “best” efforts) going in to summer (less severity), as it was becoming increasingly evident the country couldn’t be shut off from the world forever.

  2. Easy answer to the question. Yes it was inevitable. No amount of cossetting in fear was going to stop it.

    Problem for our resident expert’s is that they are mired in the should’ve, would’ve and could’ve mentality of fixing the inevitable.

    As any good competent leader will do is to look back only as reference of what to, or not, to do. A good leader will simply ask. Where are we now, where do we want to go, how are we going to get there.

    So we are now? Living with covid., Where do we want to go? Managed health care provision. How are we going to get there? Set a date when health care infrastructure is in place and let the populace breath.

    Simple really.

    Should’ve, would’ve and could’ve reflection on past endeavour failings is a mentality that has no future. Same as unenforceable lock downs are no longer part of the future.

  3. A hard one Ian, thanks for your analysis, yes, the failure was just across the ditch for all to see & if they had looked a bit further in USA,UK,India & Europe.
    The constant squeaky wheel megaphone of “business” (Barnett, MSM, NZ Herald/ZB, Magic talk,RNZ, gotcha moments) undermined their resolve to keep the lid on it & now we all pay the price of a selfish minority, it’s all down hill from here.

  4. Would actually be a lot more believable if the facts around how Delta got to Aoetearoa were accurate – it did not get in due to the bubble, it escaped from MIQ so was a systemic failure nothing to do with the bubble

    1. The genome sequencing was clear. From a Sydney visitor. How it got from him into Auckland is not fully clear but that’s not the point.

  5. This has all been said before. Vets have been dealing with this for over 20 years and made similar mistakes to what Jacinda and other leaders made. I would prefer to take the history and lessons of the virus from a vet than these so called Virologists and their astrological like, crystal ball theory’s and graphs.

        1. Not sure, but if you are a scorpio that likes animals that would make sense. Scorpios are often the one who stands up to bullies of autistic kids etc, and also protects other vulnerable creatures like animals from harm.

  6. Inevitability is a lot like karma or the law of cause and effect.

    High density populations aka large cities have always been prone to health and social problems relating to too many people in too small a space.

    Spain and Italy with its wealthy tourists holidaying in China, multilevel dwellings, narrow lanes and geographical location affording warm weather and still winds meant that covid inevitability would occur.

    Adding to that was lazy hedonistic lifestyles punctuated by alcohol, caffeine and late nights, coupled with the multitude of modern lifestyle diseases that accompany wealth, leisure, failing and dysfunctional empires.

    Regarding border control measures I was watching El Jazeera about Kiribati and all the sandbagging going on to hold back the tide as the land continues to sink. Avoiding inevitability.

    As much a Sweden’s covid death rate is so much higher than neighbouring Nordic nations and makes one question their unregulated approach to the pandemic. In a similar vein one cant help but wonder if the increase in a countries national debt due to lockdown will create as much if not more community harm in the long run. Sure death is to be avoided at all costs, but long term suffering due to isolation and financial hardship will impact the genetic code and also create after effects long after the pandemic is gone.

    Inevitability is a loaded word, and mere humans trying avoid judgement and get around the tidal wave of karma or the scientific law of cause and effect strikes me a pleading in the dock when guilty.

    All the lockdowns and national efforts will have done is delay the inevitable, because they were insufficient in duration. Whether it is 3 months or 3 years, you usually cant hold back the tide or time.

    Things change and nothing lasts forever, species wax and wane as ‘acts of god’ like sinking lands continue to occur.

    Emerging from the bush after isolating for 20 years ones immune system would need to relearn viral threats, and if you are now too old to re-adapt to viruses, the inevitable will happen.

    Our best strategy was always to raise immunity. Where I live in Grey Lynn everyone is walking and running now, its like the footpaths are a miasma of ambulating families improving their chances at surviving. We are lucky to have walkable neighbourhoods, and the wise are now physically better off, due to lockdown.

    And people are quitting jobs to work less hours and from home. Another benefit from time to think, now far away from the previous life of a race to nowhere substantial or important.

    1. Thank you, cj, interesting reading, putting together things that we could read before.

  7. The Governments failure was in listening to the death “what about the economy” crowd, who are strangely quiet all of a sudden…

  8. With Auckland in level 4 they got the numbers down to an average of about 20 new cases per day. However, it looked this number was going to continue indefinitely and they had to, at some point, bite the bullet and start to lift the restrictions; and of course they were under a lot of political pressure to do so. Also the coming of vaccines presented a tantalizing opportunity to pursue a different strategy.

  9. I am at a bit of a loss when such eminent folks make these kinds of arguments.

    “The” spread of delta is another way of saying “New Zealand exposure to Delta”.

    Now, it might have been possible to stop “that” spread of Delta in New Zealand – the one that occurred. The Australian experience indicates that it might even have been possible to stop many of the possible histories including spreads of delta. Good to reflect on how it might have been done But the idea that we could have stopped all possible histories including spreads, including the ones in 2022 etc, is just silly. Even if under some perfect system we had maintained a Covid-free NZ, it would have left other problems – those of “opening up” and reintegration with the world. We can see these in microcosm with AKL/NZ issues. Anything but trivial, and of course it will take years to fully see the true results of the trade-offs anyway. It will take even longer if we continue to insist on focussing on one ‘metric’.

    We always ought to have gotten on with taking measures to deal with “the spread of Delta.” Gone hell for leather. We’ve been patchy on that, at the absolute outer limit of best.

    Looking forward is also important, as Gerrit says. We are where we are. So let’s not let unrealistic perspectives like Mr Powell’s hold us back from learning what we need to.

    All this is another illustration of why relying on medical perspectives beyond the the very first phase has been and is necessary, but not sufficient.

    1. If the government had stuck with Level 4 a little longer, according to modellers the most likely outcome is that Auckland would be out of lockdown by now (ie, in either Level 2 or 1) based on how things were projected to trend and were trending.

      If Delta arrived today for the first time then our response would be much different than in August because the vaccination rate is so much higher. The response would have been similar to those Australian states that successful containeded the variant (ie, no lockdown or if so very localised and for a few days).

      There was nothing in my article to suggest that NZ should not reopen borders. High vaccination rates plus public health measures including requiring visitors to be vaccinated and vaccination certificates should be sufficient (without lockdowns).

      There is nothing about my article or my comments above that are “medical perspecitves”.

  10. Once NSW and Victoria decided that community transmission was going to be part of daily life, it seemed unlikely that NZ could sustain the elimination strategy. As the rest of the world lives with Covid, Delta forced the same reality on Australia and then NZ. The two largest states of Australia will have to reintegrate with the rest of Australia, who can only prepare for Covid to enter their states as restrictions lift.

    Even if elimination had worked in Auckland this time round, NZ’s former tran-tasman bubble partner would no longer be Covid-free. An unvaccinated NZ did have reservations about opening up travel with Australia, but now that vaccinations are here, people are dreaming of flying further than Australia and into the world where case and death rates are still high. Australia was always going to be the first major nation we would open up to, how long could we pursue elimination if Australia weren’t? If we were witnessing an uncomfortable amount of death in Australia people may give pause, but the feeling is now that it is time to begin opening up again. The debate will be over how fast and how wide.

    1. Elimination was working while Auckland is in Level 3; it is being applied and is working in the rest of the country including the containment in Northland, Waikato, Marlborough and Canterbury; and has worked well in Australia outside NSW and Victoria.

      What is clear is that Level 3 is insufficient to contain a much more contagious variant when it already has had wide circulation has it had in Auckland in mid-August.

  11. Well, it’s here now. Lots of what ifs and buts are all too late.

    I note your disappointment in failing to keep it in Auckland if only all roads were blocked and far more robust requirements were in place this leave Auckland. The trouble with that argument is Auckland is NOT a separate country, it’s part of New Zealand. There should be NO border at all! And therefore that logic that says Aucklanders remain locked up indefinitely is delusional.

    And the overwhelming reason, the inevitable reason it remained circulating in Auckland under level 4 was this was easily one lockdown too many. While the rest of New Zealand unrealistically existed without risk of Covid by making Auckland always wear the risk of being the border and the MIQ, it is was Auckland that always had to take the hit for the rest of the country. And we have! Repeatedly!

    This is what you get when a highly infectious disease with poor planning and oversight combine. I cannot help but think that it was our Wellington based MP’s likes Hipkins and Robertson were more than happy for Auckland to do the dirty work for the rest of the country and be blamed if their poor management failed.

    Get over it, it’s here to stay! And it’s coming your way.

  12. NZ government should have stuck to their guns and never opened the border with OZ.

    NZ is constantly being lobbied by the immigration brigade to get things back to their Ponzi.

    NZ has perfected crappy conditions, we now have people coming into NZ, paying for their own job and paying back their wages to their employers or paying $3 p/h! And the woke remedy is to make it even easier by more NZ residency under these conditions and being able to change your job easily and thus pretend for another 10 years that it will work. Brilliant! Don’t forget that for one visa – there are ways for entire families to come too, we can have Delta varieties into NZ and onto our health system, before lunch time if the right wingers and woke get their way!

    Certainly worked for the student visas to allow the students to keep living in NZ for years after they finish their degrees! NZ is full of amazing skills, NOT!! Amazing houses, NOT. Amazing workforce, NOT. Full housing with all the new skills. NOT! Full of health care workers, NOT!

    Keep believing the paid media and lobbyists on what is good for NZ.

    Instead we should look at real statistics and what is really going on in NZ!
    When they do open the border to stop our health system being overrun with demand, we need to start to look at what is going wrong. This is from https://croakingcassandra.com/2021/06/18/immigration-policy-for-new-zealand-post-covid/

    “I would favour two main changes. First, I would reverse the decision a few years ago to allow students to work while here. If you are here to study, study, don’t compete at the low end of the labour market. And I would get governments out of approved lists, or even salary thresholds, and replace it all with a model in which any employer could hire a person on a temporary work visa but that visa would be

    Subject to a fee, payable to the government (perhaps $20000 per annum or 20 per cent of the employee’s annual income, whichever is greater). That sets a clear and predictable test for whether non-New Zealand recruits are really required, and a genuine incentive on employers to search for and develop New Zealanders (especially for less well-paid positions).
    Subject to a term limit (no individual could be here on one of these visas for more than three years, without at least a one year return home)”

    Not sure if he analysed how NZ’s immigration policy has affected health care, but he should and also what will happen if they continue to encourage more and more of the highest needs groups into NZ, aka groups having children who are in the first 3 years of life or pensioners in last 3 years of life.

    He has analysed housing and this was his finding.
    Immigration policy: 106 per cent of net new housing demand
    https://croakingcassandra.com/2015/06/23/immigration-policy-106-per-cent-of-net-new-housing-demand/

  13. Noun 1. terrorism – the calculated use of violence (or threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimindation or coercion or instilling fear

  14. 1.If pills can “cure” COVID, then there’s no need for vaccine (that manifestly can’t). 2. If there’s 100% effective cure, then the vaccine EUA immediately falls away. 3. Given 1 and 2, how is any continued vaccine roll-out ethical?

  15. Fundamentally I disagree with Ian that the move to level 3 was the wrong call. I’ve commented before that Ian is looking back with rose tinted glasses and pining for the elimination success we used to have. We need to face the reality. We tried eliminating it with the lockdown. By the 4 week mark people were getting sick of it, and rule breaking was increasing. We would have needed a lot longer in level 4 to snuff it out – if that was even possible – and politically and socially that would have become unsustainable. The move to level 3 was a rational one, accepting that people wouldn’t tolerate longer in level 4, and still with major constraints to stem the virus spread.

    The virus arriving here and becoming widespread was indeed inevitable, as even if we were virus free so far, at some point we’d have to open and then the virus would arrive. South Australia is currently virus free. They could stay that way for as long as they like, but they’re opening up with a ‘Freedom Day’ on 23rd November and will inevitably get the virus. Why? Because unless you stay locked away forever.

    I would not describe virus case growth in Auckland as ‘exponential’ as Ian does. It’s trending up for sure, but vaccination helped curb the growth.

    1. Sorry, with regards South Australia opening up, the term ‘Freedom Day’ could be confusing because we’re all used to it in the context of community restrictions being relaxed etc. In this case I am referring to lifting border restrictions and letting in tourists and returning Australians.

      1. It is important when critiquing an article to have a good empirical foundation which unfortunately is lacking in Brad’s rather cliche response.

        Zero tolerance (the core of elimination rather than simply lockdowns) is not the same as zero cases. The majority of Australian states followed elimination. They (except for Tasmania) had occasional delta cases but their response was zero tolerance through short sharp very localised actions. In these states and territories delta is either eliminated or containable.

        Had the government not undertaken a u-turn and instead followed the advice of the modellers it was using then the most likely outcome is that Auckland would have continued for another 2-3 weeks maximum followed by a much shorter period in Level 3. By now, if the modellers were correct (and their track record has been pretty good), Auckland would have been out of Level 3 and instead in either Level 2 or 1.

        This isn’t about not opening borders early next year as scheduled. If delta was to arrive in NZ for the first time today then the response would not be the same as it was in August because of the difference our much higher vaccination rates make. The response would most likely be similar to that of Australia outside NSW and Victoria and at worse something similar for northern Auckland.

        Exponential is when something increases quickly by large amounts. If the increase of the 3 day daily delta case average from 13 on 28 September to 125 on 30 October isn’t exponential then I’m not sure what is. The same can be seen for unlinked (mysterious) cases increasing from between 5 to 15 in September to 358 on 20 October. This information was in my linked ‘BusinessDesk’ article.

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