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  1. Public hospitals were already in carnage.

    This is about who is treated in that carnage. It has been acceptable for the poor and uninsured to die unnecessarily, or have their lives blighted by this disgrace for a long time before Covid.

    And still no commitment to building a functional health system.

    1. Carnage =/= chaos.
      Lols, I remember a breathless twenty-something-year old TV reporter broadcasting ‘live, on location’ about the carnage at Christchurch airport due to delays over fog concerns. It was lucky that she didn’t slip in the blood.

      1. Carnage: slaughter, mass-murder, bloodbath…

        An emotive term but:

        I’ve had one 1st degree relative die in agony in Middlemore for want of care. Happy to present the admin of this site with the correspondence with the coroner and the autopsy report.

        Another 1st degree relative is tangentially involved with the investigation into the case that sparked the current interest in this institution. She survived – by the skin of her teeth – but the circumstances of neglect of what are considered basic standards of medical care in such an emergency, were almost identical. This too, is a matter of record.

        I could go on with disasters involving family members not directly leading to death or near death, but what I’d like to try and communicate to those who live in a safe comfortable middle-class world is you…have…no…idea.

        Carnage? yeah carnage.

      2. It must be nice to be so comfortably off as to respond with word-games.

        I’ll play, hell what else do I have to do as I can’t move very far waiting as I have been for a very, very long time for surgery to repair failed surgery. The result of that waiting is already permanent and unnecessary disability (a matter of record).
        But to the word of the day:
        Carnage: bloodbath, slaughter, mass death….

        I have one first degree relative who died in agony in Middlemore due to absence of basic care. I’m happy to provide this site admin with correspondence with the coroner, and with the autopsy report.

        Another first degree relative is tangentially involved in the investigation that sparked the current concern with the hospital. She survived (by the skin of her teeth) but the circumstances of dangerous neglect of basic standards in the same medical emergency were almost identical. Again this is a matter of record.

        I could tell other stories from my own family, and from people I know. But for now, this hurts.

        You think carnage is a joke? Maybe too hyperbolic?

        Please

  2. Well Ian many of the same public that bitch and moan about the health system won’t lift a finger to try and help the hospitals. Even simple measures like masks in certain spaces are seen as some massive intrusion on their rights. It has become as political football through irresponsible politicians and platforms like 1ZB.

  3. Couldn’t agree more, the govt cravenly caved in to the faceless business community & ran up the white flag half way thru the pandemic!
    Listen to the science, kind, caring…..yeah nah…..there’s money to be made…..a complete abdication of their so called principal’s, meanwhile the hospital system goes down the toilet.
    The Natz will have the answer, there’s money in chaos….Privatise the health system.

  4. Again ian Powell is correct.
    Chippy and Jacinda decided last spring that there are more votes to be had listening to focus group analytics than medical science and epidemiological analyses.

  5. The Ardern Government was handsomely winning the battle against Covid right up to the moment Vaccines were put on the table. NZ like most countries have our fair share of expert-novices on Vaccines. This was never addressed early on by Ardern in fact the PM did the complete opposite. She totally minimized their their numbers.

    If you listen to most in the anti-vax brigade you’ve seen patterns. Misrepresenting facts is common via wrapping up a tiny bit of truth with a bunch of BS. They also happily reach for the scaremongering button at a moments notice. Add to that picture their propaganda that invariably involve “experts” on vaccines that have now switched sides. Ardern should have anticipated this as it’s exactly what happened offshore prior to the PM’s big calls on vaccines etc. She did with other aspects of Covid but not the anti-vax movement.

    Had New Zealanders been shown every side of the vaccine debate via media forms early on they would have had even more Kiwi’s making informed decisions. This set up the perfect storm when vaccine mandates were deemed to be needed. That is exactly when the protest movement gained traction here. A miscalculation by the PM. I believe she made the same miscalculation with the cannabis referendum. The “YES” vote seemed to be headed for victory. Nek minute Kiwi’s were being force fed a load of bullshit about cannabis. Cars driven by cannabis impaired drivers were allegedly routinely involved in serious accidents and ended up on their roof. WTAF? 15% of Kiwi’s are aged 65 and over. Many of them are old school with old school attitudes toward cannabis. They were targeted with fears of a zombie apocalypse. Our roads were either going to be full of stoned drivers waiting to crash into you or the next generation of young Kiwi’s will legally smoke dozens of joints every day so NZ will be full of young zombies. Nek minute the “NO” vote got their nose in front. Ardern again stood back and did nothing.

    Two Ardern failures / miscalculations to my eye.

  6. We locked down and took the vaccines, or not. I thought we did a pretty good job of managing it the best we could. We’ve done what we can for this virus – no going back now. I’m more concerned about what we’ve learn’t and put in place for the next one.

  7. Both the creepy Baker brothers (identical twins) have been tied up with the UN since they were at university.

  8. Just late on to this post. A nasty sort of commenter has crept in here – Tom Hunter, so negative and sneering 90% of the time so not worth paying attention to. Off White has got barbs into things before and they appear poisoned.

    And Jim –
    Jim October 21, 2022 at 9:12 pm – Both the creepy Baker brothers (identical twins) have been tied up with the UN since they were at university.
    just a drop of pollution into the water, but what sort is it? I haven’t heard of the twin Baker brothers he refers to. Who, what, why, how etc. I don’t suppose anyone will inform me and I’m busy doing something else, but this is example of how confusing it is trying to see through the mustard gas thrown up these days by malcontents.

  9. Anyone talking to Baker, much less complaining about their Covid getting more frequent and worse, is surely up to at least their 4th jab.

    When are these people going to admit they got it wrong with their extremist “try stuff and see wat happens” mRNA biotech meddling; and that the traditional, precautionary non-interventionists (with their proven treatments and precautionary measures), who were silenced and shut out, were right.

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