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  1. “Astonishing that people still think we can vaccinate our way out of this.”

    Maybe we can, maybe we can’t, maybe (probably) it’s just one important part of a multi faceted approach.
    The fact remains that at the moment vaccination remains the most effective medical intervention available against death from the disease.

    More depressing is your defeatism.

    1. “More depressing is your defeatism.”

      To clarify; my comment was made in reply to “ma”.

  2. Epidemiologists can only predict on the data at hand they don’t understand the nuances of biological virology, for that you need a virologist but that doesn’t mean they can predict much better they just have a deeper understanding of the history of virology and make a hypothesis’s. Sioxsie Wiles is really good!

  3. “This is extraordinary and comes down to the Government largely following the advice of experts such as him to implement an elimination (zero tolerance) strategy towards community transmission.”

    No.

    It came about largely because we live on a couple of remote islands in the South Pacific and because most of us don’t live in apartment blocks. This enabled the MoH to eliminate the first wave while the Americans developed their vaccine.
    A key advantage of living in the antipodes that many overlook was that when the virus first got out of the lab in Wuhan, our Chinese students were heading home for the long Christmas break, whereas in the north they returned before the lockdowns were imposed. For example the US had over 400,000 arrivals from China before they shut down. In Italy and Iran, tens of thousands of contract workers arrived from China even after the Chinese had locked down internally, preventing travel between regions.

    1. Andrew Australia is an island, just a really big one. Your Chinese student theory would apply there too. I think we compare favourably to Australia ( who are also pretty good)There is no denying luck plays some role in any response but you won’t be accused of being a Labour supporter for just saying we have got SOME things right.

      1. I’d go further and say Western Australia = NZ, very remote, its further away from Sydney than Auckland by 1000km. Vast area sparsely populated. And its held up just as well maybe even better.

      2. NSW got the arrival of a plague ship – the Ruby Princess – to kick things off there.

    2. Being a couple of remote islands wouldn’t have achieved anything if the government strategy was to delay early border closures or worse, adopt an open border strategy and management policy rather than elimination – as was advocated by several self-ordained leaders of our business community at the outbreak of the pandemic. You know, Andrew, the people that you adore so much.

      Actually yes, our good record was “down to the Government largely following the advice of experts such as him to implement an elimination (zero tolerance) strategy towards community transmission.” It essentially kept the virus out of the country for 18 months. Govt. policy in this matter was the decisive factor.

      1. Actually the left in NZ were calling Trump a racist for shutting the border at that time.

        1. Trump wanted to do more than close the border – he wanted a massive wall spreading over 1000’s of kilometres to stop poor (“Brown”) migrants/refugees from entering the US – quite different don’t you think?!

  4. Experts still fixated only with death rate and hospitalization rates

    Still no one talking about the reality anyone who catches this virus ends up with some kind of organ damage, no matter how vaxxed or how mild/asymtomatic their infection. And with each successive infection more damage.

    Why the silence from EVEFRYONE!? Is it just to horrific to face, too much like a sci fi horror movie scenario?

    Front page of NZHerald online this avo:

    “15,540 new community cases; Auckland numbers steady as primary schools hit hard” – NZ Herald

    So much for “covid does not affect children”. That is a whole lot of unvaxxed little ones getting soaked in an extremely destructive virus.

    Are these children going to be in a rinse and repeat cycle of variant waves? Each time more and more brain, lung, heart, and God knows what else, damage.

    Hipkins noted Omicron infected children are showing a new symptom – gastrointestinal pain. Here’s latest research on covid in the intestines:

    “COVID-19: Abdominal and Bowel Damage

    Evidence keeps increasing for the number of places in the body and the length after COVID-19 infection the virus continues to cause damage.

    The presence of COVID-19 virus was confirmed in intestinal tissue 6 months after the patients stopped testing positive via nasopharyngeal PCR tests which suggests latent/hidden infection”

    https://twitter.com/jeffgilchrist/status/1499709449518395394
    https://bmcgastroenterol.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12876-021-01905-3

    NZ cardio expert who to the NZHerald’s credit got front page coverage but whose nightmarish warning barely lasted a news cycle and mostly met with silence:

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-omicron-outbreak-cardiologist-warns-of-tidal-wave-of-heart-disease-linked-to-long-covid/ZYMK3ZEV2J62UAI2VQ4DTHYIOY/

    “Heart-disease risk soars after COVID — even with a mild case
    Massive study shows a long-term, substantial rise in risk of cardiovascular disease, including heart attack and stroke, after a SARS-CoV-2 infection.”
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00403-0

  5. Scotland BA2 surge is out of control;

    “BA2, Covid, Scotland: the surge is so out of control people have been warned NOT TO GO TO HOSPITAL—I repeat THE SURGE IS SO OUT OF CONTROL THEY ARE BEGGING PEOPLE NOT TO GO ALA MARCH 2020 LOCKDOWN.”
    https://twitter.com/EnemyInAState/status/1503502828240838671

    “Has anyone checked Scotland because everyone I know has Covid this week it’s went absolutely bananas. All high fevers, rigors, neurological symptoms, bedbound. Even teenagers bedbound. Something going on, it’s changed since start of the year.’
    https://twitter.com/clara_neuro/status/1503526409309929475

    New South Wales facing a resurgence – health professionals want mitigation protocols reintroduced but pollies pretending pandemic is over/mild – even shutting down pandemic data gathering so problem magically disappears!

    Prof Kerryn Phelps AM
    @drkerrynphelp

    “Some truths about #covid19. It may not be what you want to hear, but it is what you NEED to hear.”
    https://twitter.com/drkerrynphelps/status/1503235200557334529

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