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  1. Classic. The accusation of “operating in secrecy” comes from a former DHB board member. Of course there is no chance of that person having an axe to grind perhaps.

    I think Fiona Tolich is more on the money in terms of it being “early days”. That’s the same person who had to go to the Human Rights Commission over SMA treatments or lack thereof. Just because we have gone away from the ridiculous situation of 20 separate executive boards doesn’t mean there isn’t loads more work to do for our health system in general.

    1. Remember this situation has developed over multiple governments.
      All of which under funded health one way or another.
      Lets face it our % of funding for medicines is around 5% or just under and has been as low as 2.9% of the health budget.
      The average is 10% and up to 16% of the Health budget in countries of around 5 too 11 million people .
      It is time middle class New Zealand woke up we have an Americanised semi privatised health system introduced by stealth through blatant underfunding.
      This new corporatism model is not a good look if the public are excluded.

      1. Agree it has been an issue for a long time. Also agree the public can’t be excluded, but this has literally just started. You can’t tell me the illusion of healthcare being somehow more democratic under the DHB model was actually working. Was it public feedback and consultation that willingly gave us a post code lottery for treatment or the likes of Whangarei and Middlemore Hospitals falling to pieces?

        Ironically the one pot of healthcare spending that actually gets analysed to death by health economists at PHARMAC, is ridiculously underfunded. That lack of funding for new medicines has certainly encouraged the growth of private centres which make a fortune in areas such as oncology. Why do think an overseas private equity fund brought out a group that has five treatment centres in the North Island. Thats in addition to groups buying private imaging and diagnostics businesses. It’s big money and nothing to do with “big bad pharma”, which a lot people seem to erroneously conclude.

    2. Hold your quips Wheel. Don’t start undermining the critic, look at the question, the critique. Treat it as an early indication of concern, not just a reaction by a dropped official ‘with an axe to grind’. I think more will come – keep a watching brief!

      Geoff+Lye
      Those are interesting figures/thoughts. Particularly – It is time middle class New Zealand woke up we have an Americanised semi privatised health system introduced by stealth through blatant underfunding.

      Reactionary Bratwurst has a point. It is wise if we are leery of embracing any new system of an over-arching type that Labour summons up by rubbing the flanks of one of the Big Four service firms.
      The Big Four is the nickname used to refer collectively to the four largest professional services networks in the world, consisting of the global accounting networks Deloitte, Ernst & Young (EY), KPMG, and PricewaterhouseCoopers (PwC).
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Four_accounting_firms

      1. Greywarbler I don’t think you need to employ one of “the big four” to work out that 20 executive boards to serve a country our size is ridiculous. There are plenty of stakeholders that have pointed out the issues with this approach that are patient, and not politically, driven.

        That’s not to support a lack of transparency at all but I think the whole democracy argument is being seriously overblown in terms of its impact as to how we got here. As Geoff points out the state of our healthcare system has been years, and successive governments in the making. I think that shows the whole apparent “openness “ was not very effective.

        What should transparency for Health NZ look like now, relative to other crown entities, I am not so sure. If the last 20 odd years has taught us anything we need more than transparency. Actual interest and engagement is needed.

        1. I would like to know what enterprises in NZ have not had the influence of the Big 4 in the background? They are doing the woqrk of government under contract.

          I think that you have been underwhelmed by the local board members. But all screened from public eye is another thing. What about the meetings being transmitted to those who want to keep an ear open?

  2. Well damn said Ian.

    This situation you describe is exactly what I predicted would happen.

    The Wellington Bureaucrats won .

    Jacinda didn’t want a repeat of the CDHB v’s the Wellington Bureaucrats .

  3. Now that “Health Department” is a corporate rather than a democratic organisation the next time the electoral pendulum swings right it will be sold to private interests and loaded up with debt. The private interests will siphon billions while running it into the ground then some government a decade hence will bail it out and take ownership. And then the public private ownership cycle will repeat again.

  4. Is it possible that Te Whatu Ora don’t want the public in the room during board meetings is because it’d show a group drumming their fingers, and going hmmm? while the reps of the non DHB’s run around screaming, fire in their hair, asking for help – or at least direction.?

  5. I believe that Prime Minister Ardern has not told anyone the anguish she has faced over successive issues from the health sector since first she was elected into power in 2017.

    To my way of thinking, the nurses’ strike exposed the excesses of greed in the sector. Not because the nurses wanted more pay than they deserved. It was the timing of it. Demand for health services was at a record high due to the effects of the coronavirus pandemic. Moreover, the nurses knew that their pay demands would spur others in their sector and in associated careers to expect pay increases.

    The Prime Minister has remained brave and bold in the face of it all, fully aware that these widespread pay increases will contribute to ongoing inflationary issues.

    To combat this, the government decided to lower petrol prices and, subsequently, food prices although the supermarkets are now being crafty and as a result many stores throughout the country are now being redesigned and restocked with repackaged items and shiny new marketing campaigns are emerging as the owners aren’t wanting diminished profit margins.

    If the Prime Minister hadn’t had the support of one Minister in particular during the nurses’ strike, Grant Robertson, she may well have resigned. Grant Robertson has more experience than the Prime Minister and took the strike less seriously than she did.

    The New Zealand economy and its potential issues of course continue to weigh heavily on the mind of Jacinda Ardern and a part of this picture comes from the public sector, as usual, and the workers’ pay expectations.

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