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  1. 100% support the government’s swift lockdown. Did not support the opening of travel bubbles and of course within a short time of that, there has been a community outbreak in NZ.

    We are not equipped for Delta in our hospitals, as they have been run down in every aspect for years and our health spend per person in NZ has actually decreased per person over the years.

    NZ has a ‘team of 5 million’ but appears to be trying to stretch a health care funding of 3.5 million people of 15 years ago. Government failed to continue the same level of funding per person with population growth.

    In addition many people coming to NZ are higher needs people aka the very old and people having children in NZ without NZ citizenship which is ballooning health issues in NZ.

    We also have a high obesity rate and growing amounts of people with less educational skills, less comprehension skills and growing poverty.

    This means we are especially vulnerable to an outbreak.

  2. The police are not fully vaccinated . This shows what a poor minister they have who is meant to be in their corner pushing for their wellbeing. At the other end of the scale those working at supermarkets and other outlets deed to be essential deserve to be moved up,the list of priorities

  3. The jury is still out

    The government’s reaction to the latest outbreak is nominally correct, although why the hell did they not have ALL border workers vaccinated months ago? (The likely origin). If they’re lucky they might catch this current outbreak, but the odds are against them:

    > It’s the more infectious Delta version
    > They don’t know how case #1 caught it, so there are likely unrecognized cases out there in the community. (Most cases are asymptomatic)
    > There are tens of thousands of contacts to chase down. One case alone has over 10,000 contacts.

    So if we hunt down and isolate all the cases, then phew! We’ve dodged yet another bullet. This gives us more time to vaccinate and so gain a degree of herd immunity.
    But if the cases go steadily up, day after day like they are in NSW, despite their more severe lockdown rules, then we’ve lost our grip on this thing. At this point do we just extend the lockdown ad infinitum? How will that work? What will be the economic, social and medical consequences of such a thing? Oh and political consequences…

    Bear this key point in mind: The virus will get here eventually, one way or another. Each of use has to face that fact. One can only hope that by the time this happens most of us are vaccinated because the evidence from overseas is that vaccinated people will do just fine, just as long as they’re not medically compromised or near their natural end of life.

    1. Recent research in Australia has found their vaccine has totally destroyed Covid in mice.
      Human trials are just beginning.(Griffith University’s Menzies Health Institute.)

  4. I don’t disagree here but…

    There was an expectation that 18 months into this pandemic, systems would have been sorted. The Covid helpline takes literally hours to be answered, a website is too generic to be useful.

    Covid testing is like March 2020, massive queues and slow result testing.

    Risk sites like Ward 65 at Auckland Hospital have not been put on the notification list. At risk people non notified meaning the contact tracing system is flawed.

    Border workers and other high risk vaccinations have never been completed and there are few of any consequences for not being vaccinated.

    People comply but see others who are not and police seem to be ill equipped or under resourced to deal with breaches. There is no infringement system either. Covid loves kindness.

    And as discussed endlessly, vaccinations are too few too late and it appears if the government were willing to pay more for them earlier, this would not be an issue. We saved pennies that cost us pounds.

    It seems the governments response has been fight fires with PR and bandaids rather than anticipate and put robust systems in place. And the minister increasingly looks like a possum in the headlights.

  5. Anyone know the link to the legislation legally requiring mask wearing in supermarkets? NZ MOH are now calling it a legal requirement but I can’t find any trace of amendments, emergency laws etc.

    1. It is called the law of common sense obviously something anti vaxer and anti mask wearers do not have much of.

      1. Kevin, Trevor’s response was probably on the back of one of Jody’s previous posts…

        “Masks don’t work. Vaccinations don’t work. Shutting NZ off from the rest of the world forever certainly won’t work. Open the gates Jacinda, we all know this is an exercise in futility. People catch disease, people get sick and people die. We all will eventually.”

        So was it a genuine question or a loaded question? If genuine, then so be it.

    2. Supermarkets are private businesses. I presume they can mandate any dress code they like inside their premises.

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