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  1. Unfortunately you are not addressing the main concern raised by Page;

    “Typically for a health technocrat, you don’t consider the full balance sheet – you present the same old hackneyed upbeat, backslapping ‘achievements’ that puffed up media types project onto a dejected, fed up populace too tired to argue.”

    The fact that you totally ignore this most important sentence, the gist of his criticism of you, show your views are as blinkered as the rest of the ruling elite. You are not mature enough (or street smart) to address the issues raised. Ask yourself; does he have a valid point with the key sentence?

    Have raised this point quite a few times with your postings but each time you don’t answer the concerns.

    I can only assume you live in that beach front ivory tower reading only academic literature. Do you ever go out in the real world? Real as in how people in South and West Auckland cope? Poorer regions of Wellington are not that far from your doorstep. Go out and talk to people about the plight and their survival.

    Here is the truth from those mean street you never visit. Very few people are offering to be test for covid and ever fewer people are scanning in. Why? because the punitive lockdown measures if found with covid or having been a close contact, not just for the infected person but the whole family. Contract tracing is finished.

    The authoritarian ruling elite need to spend time at the coal face to see what effects their ivory tower preaching and “we know best” edicts have on the populace.

    Until you have empathy for the effects that ivory tower academic ruling have on the commoner, you are literally a blinkered elite.

    1. I quoted Page in full. What you describe as his main concern was more abuse than anything else (presumably a soul mate of yours) and covered by my more general observation about his failure to be empirical in his thought processes.

      1. Asking that ALL health conditions and financial considerations for the poor are taken into consideration is now called abuse? Jesus wept.

        Ah well enjoy your resolve. Pity it does not wash with the great unwashed.

        Let me repeat, and perhaps you will answer the concern, without derision and woke hurt pride, that the the full balance sheet is not being addressed.

        “Typically for a health technocrat, you don’t consider the full balance sheet – you present the same old hackneyed upbeat, backslapping ‘achievements’ that puffed up media types project onto a dejected, fed up populace too tired to argue.”

        The lack of deaths are but a single measure, how about the mental health? How about the physical health for those whose medical appointments for life’s general ailments have been delayed for two years now? The list goes on endlessly

        But it is deaths (the lack thereof) that is the measure you calculate success on. The rest of us face living hardships you cannot even begin to fathom, you living in a splendid sanctimonious environment, safely on the beach in your magic ivory tower.

        At least Counties Manukau Health board is recognizsng the problem of poverty and lack of care for the people in their care. At leas they are actively doing something positive.

        https://countiesmanukau.health.nz/assets/Covid-19/CMH-Website-Food-and-Other-Emergency-Supplies.pdf

        Can you say the same?

        1. Apart from being a master of abuse, dissemination of questionable information and promulgation of questionable conclusions, what is your area of academic excellence and what are your qualifications?

          1. Acadamic excellence? University of life in South Auckland. Qualifications? wide eyes and a brain with information learned from the streets and the people.

            Sad state of affairs when the woke need protecting from the hoi polloy by hiding in ivory towers and the sanctimony of “we are so bright” our “s!!t don’t stink”

            Let me ask you, ever been in South (or West) Auckland. Spoke to the people? Asked them how they are coping?

            If not your questions are abusive to the people you know nothing about.

            But one thing South Aucklander’s are good at. They don’t give a faggot for politicians or academics. None of them ever take the time to ask investigate what are the needs for the people.

            So disseminate away your questionable information. We will be like the truckers in Canada.

          2. “If not your questions are abusive to the people you know nothing about.”

            Worked in South Auckland (90s) and Porirua East in the 60s/70s having been brought up in Newtown when it was one of the poorer and most multi-cultural suburbs in NZ. Also lived and worked in other low SES areas. Experience says that people always appreciate access to informed information and value education.
            Please spare us your arrogant self-opinionated and un-researched assumptions.

    2. While there are issues getting full support from those in South & West Auckland & other poorer areas I am sure the problem would be far worse if the likes of Page’s was implementing whatever virus control measures his inner self thought would work. Ian has been relatively kind in his description of Page in his final paragraph’s & your moaning can only lead me to assume that you have failed to understand the substantial number of New Zealander’s still alive today thanks to the government’s competent handling of the pandemic.

      1. Good to be alive and living in poverty? Moaning about lack of action in regards alleviating poverty for the living is assuming a failed understanding?

        Sorry, I don’t buy your, and the articles author, be “glad to be alive” as the only measure of success.

        But hopefully you and others are alive and in a gilded position to contribute to the care and well being of the “saved” by donating to the aid required in the poverty struck areas of New Zealand. You doing Arderns work for her.

        Looking forward to the food parcel donated by you and others.

        1. Well, thanks I am sitting pretty although that is more to do with favorable genetics (inheritance) than what I have contributed from a life’s work. I am just as disappointed by the totally unfair financial payments that many receive under a system that serves the wealthy first but getting the substantial numbers who don’t vote to support a progressive government is the only chance that the system will change.
          My Lord says His kingdom is not of this world & hoping for any politician to bring about any sort of nirvana is pointless which is why I spread the gospel as the only real answer to this world’s problems.

  2. New Zealand should align with the motherland England whose covid statistics are poorer than ours but who have scrapped all health notices and restrictions and gone back to normal.

    1. Normal in the UK has been worsening for decades, yes they have gone back to normal. We can do betterwith some effort on our part. This may be regarded as an introduction to the combined efforts we will have to make to cope with climate change effects. Effects and effort – those are two words that will be confronting us from now on. Mean-spirited sneering and fault finding from a high prominent position will be of no bloody use whatsoever which will be sad for those paople who write here who specialise in being scornful or louche.

  3. Desensitised by deaths? Tell that to Assange.
    Be less kind, its the built-in eugenics mentality of the entitled Euro rich.
    It’s projected fear and anger that their class, despite raking it, in is facing the demise of rule of Capital as the racist hegemonic overlords of the world.
    For one thing they are having their noses rubbed into the irrational gibberish they have to spout to defend their wealth. Irony kills them.
    They become science deniers and open eugenicists.
    They may have fascist mercenary corporations with the drones to back them up but they are a tiny minority and we are the massive majority.
    They know and fear this.

  4. Support you article 100% Ian. Unfortunately there are a lot of ill informed right wing commentators who dont feel proud that Aotearoa, Labour, Jacinda and especially the scientists and health officials have saved thousands of Kiwi lives. I’d hate to be in the trenches with the right, in fact they wouldnt even be on the battle field but be back home with an exemption from service.
    You have provided the facts that they cant refute. The right hate anyone raising the comparable death rates around the world. All I can say Ian is we should all rejoice and again thank Jacinda, Labour and especially the advice from scientists and experts as one of the only Governments around the world to have protected its citizens.

  5. You can help understanding Ian by not talkng in jargon-like acronyms much. Try saying Nurses with acronym in brackets so people get fixed in their minds the right crowd (hopefully). We may be going – backward – but we don’t want back to pictogram style.

  6. Thanks Ian, Page, a typical self entitled Tory educated at Kings, no doubt a lot of networking & self responsibility was instilled in his formative years for when they become (in their minds) masters of the universe.
    Whatever way you slice it, Labour bad….Natz good & the MSM (donors) are in their back pocket all the way promulgating this simplistic rubbish.

  7. Thank you Ian, well argued.
    I have come to believe that most critics of our obvious (provable) success are embarrassed at their obvious (also provable) failure to manage Covid. Coupled by the fact that a young woman has been able to achieve this success (with the help of most of her team of 5 million) this is an embarrassment to the ‘establishment’. Those that claim overseas countries have returned to ‘normal’ are deliberately spreading a grossly false picture of what is actually happening.
    Also, I’m heartened by the news that the Vaccine Alliance Aotearoa New Zealand has invested in a vaccine manufacturing machine – could it be that the crisis is bringing us benefits beyond just suppression statistics?

  8. Where’s the evidence to your own assertions, Mr Powell, namely this one – “New Zealand’s elimination strategy saved thousands of lives depending on who among many developed economies one might select”. Its a big claim so the evidence will no doubt be overwhelming. Likewise, the lack of evidence will be just as telling. That’s if you’ve even got the backbone to post one of my comments. Heck, I’m not even providing any studies that challenges your own views this time either. As if.

    1. Refer to the linked article at the start of the blog. I don’t approve what is posted here. TDB does. TDB republishes my blogs with my permission but comments are it’s decision, not mine.

      1. I do not see this claim – “New Zealand’s elimination strategy saved thousands of lives depending on who among many developed economies one might select” in the article linked. You cannot prove this claim, certainly with the information from within that piece. The claim is as hollow as Mr Page’s claim(s). With a lot more study, your claim may hold truth, but for now, it does not hold true.

        I otherwise can agree with your central premise, NZ has done better than most. But saved thousands of lives. I can’t agree with that based upon the information provided. Because after all, I could claim that Sweden has done well depending on whom I compare them to. And speaking of Sweden, they are consistently being made to look bad because of whom they are typically compared to. Point being, this level of information is just not good enough, given the claim that has resulted from it.

        I appreciate your point about posting comments. I did not know that. My apologies.

        1. The data used in my ‘BusinessDesk’ is from a reputable international website https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/. Its results are consistent with WHO data with the main exception is that the latter doesn’t include Taiwan.
          It is not difficult to extrapolate from this data. For example, if our per million mortality rate was the same as either the UK or the EU or the US we would have had over 10,000 deaths. In the case of Sweden it would have been over 7,000.

          1. I half agree with you that New Zealand doesn’t get enough credit. It’s a small island nation with no major international thoroughfare, isolated at the bottom of the world with a relatively sparse population. I think New Zealand did a lot to reduce the affect of this pandemic on her citizens and she doesn’t get enough credit.

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