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  1. “Workers, refuse to fight for your ruling class!
    Mutiny against your officers and fraternise with those you are ordered to shoot!
    Turn imperialist war into civil war!
    Turn 2022 into 1922!”

    No, I added the last line because Dave had failed to carry his rhetoric to its absurd conclusion.
    Dave if you want to start a civil war go right ahead. But don’t stand on the side line yelling for others to “mutiny” and “turn imperialist war into civil war”. Marxists are great are urging the working class on to bloody revolution, but when the balloon does go up more often than not make slink away muttering that “the objective conditions are not right for revolution at this point in time”.

    1. “Civil war” is another name for class war. We don’t have an open class war because only one side is fighting – the bosses. Economic war; propaganda war; cyber war; and shooting war all express the inevitable escalation of economic war into bloody killing wars.

      All the attacks on workers in this class war are to prevent workers as a class from ending the rotting capitalist system which cannot exist without bloody reactionary wars.

      According to Geoff its OK for NZ workers to go and kill other workers for the benefit of their ruling class. Because, you know, “bloody revolution”.

      Two world wars proved that millions of workers died as cannon fodder so that their ruling classes could increase their global control. But, you know “bloody revolution”.

      A third world war is beginning in Ukraine. Again workers are conscripted into armies to fight one another so that either the US and its allies or Russia and China can win and continue to take us down the road to extinction.

      Should we fight back and end capitalism. No says Geoff. Because… “bloody revolution”.

      1. “According to Geoff its OK for NZ workers to go and kill other workers for the benefit of their ruling class.”
        The fact is that I have always counseled our people not to engage in colonialist or imperialist wars, and not to serve in any capacity in the colonialist military.
        Because colonialism and imperialism are wedded to violence, we do need to have a capacity to defend ourselves and others against their depredations but should never be the ones to initiate violence.
        We can all consciously choose not to be capitalists, which is the first step towards ending capitalism. No interest on bank deposits, no kiwisaver, no shares, no rental properties. The self-emancipation of the working class doesn’t start with bloody revolution and need not end in bloody revolution.

        1. ‘Consciously choosing not to be capitalists’- I like that.
          “No interest on bank deposits, no kiwisaver, no shares, no rental properties.”
          I like that slao.
          We are being forced away from our natural state as gardeners and pastoral artisans by the clever leverage of our need for hope. Hope which we are not allowed to grow in our own gardens and parks because well, Andre Litlle. (soz)
          Our organic, natural and God given planet, our garden, is being mined, suctioned and scraped of all that is biological material, and that is us! While we are mesmerised with shiny tech and false paradigms the real treasure, which is us, is ripped from the earth in little bags sorry I can’t give details
          Our only hope is to cling to the earth, not send ‘lethal aid’ of bombs, AVs, rocket launchers, flak jackets, field watches, drones and baby formula to destinations most questionable. This is not Putin’s war. This is Jens Stoltenberg’s war, which will kick him up another notch to head the World Bank.
          While the hedge fund managers tinker with the timing on their watches we have to ask how many dimensions this unexpected and partially unexplained conflagration occupies. Think Tour of Duty blended with Descendants of Dracula meets Time-cops except not all timecops play for the same team.
          In the words of the Bad Santa Grandma: “Have a muffin, dearie,”

    2. very few consequential changes has ever come from politely asking for it..

  2. We ARE a NATO partner ,,,, a boot licking one maybe ,,, but a partner none the less.

    Go check Nato’s own website ….

  3. I have long called New Zealand, Aotearoa. It’s simply a beautiful name. It resonates with us as a people, a nation.

    I’ve long supported co-governance. It is not a new idea to me. I grew up in an area with 92 percent of Pakeha people and I yearned for fair representation of all of our ethnic groups, including Maori and Pasifika.

    For some on this thread to have the opinion that my perspectives regarding these issues was different a mere few years back, is simply wrong and it is ill mannered to assume something like that.

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