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  1. In the meantime, expose and challenge our government’s slackness, inability to protect us from such an infectious and deadly virus. Self-isolation isn’t working. We need to take lessons from China,Singapore and Taiwan and impose more stringent methods to control the spread of COVID-19.
    If politicians become victims, will we see some realistic action? Unlikely, as Dave argues we can’t rely on capitalism. We must forge our own socialist structures that the people control, in order to look after ourselves.

  2. It is not capitalist decline it’s monster capitalist exploitation – like the Global Financial Crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_crisis_of_2007–08 when the Democrats bailed out the banks instead of jailing the bankers and the bankers came back richer and more powerful than ever, while the democrats now lose to Trump…

    It’s called shock Doctrine…. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shock_Doctrine more shocks mean more assets change to the super rich who can essentially manipulate the markets while benefiting from it https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/08/george-soros-bank-of-england.asp
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1976_IMF_crisis

    1. SaveNZ the reason why capitalism is having financial meltdowns and being bailed out by the politicians is that it is in decline. Surplus capital is not invested in production because it is not profitable. Profits have failed to return to the 1970’s levels. Capitalism has become cannibalistic, zombie-like even, as surplus capital is gambled in markets for existing commodities without producing new value. We are living in a gigantic casino waiting for the bubble to burst. These excesses are just the symptoms of a dying capitalism. Theories like the shock doctrine pick up on these symptoms but explain them as aberrations that can be corrected by reforming capitalism. We need to attack the root cause, capitalism itself, and replace it with a socialist society.

  3. Well put Dave, all good stuff. The proverbial in the works is the subjective factor–hyper individualism via neo liberal hegemony, the ascendancy of post modernist philosophy over materialist philosophy, people’s thinking lagging behind the rapidity of changing events–a great big pile of subjectivism in other words.

    The need for revolution has long existed and Climate Disaster and now the virus assisted meltdown could not make it much clearer that a fundamental shift in class power is needed the world over. And it could still occur in a particular place or places despite the apparent levels of mass consciousness. Working class people have a great store of knowledge from their daily existential grind and the “spark” or situation that gets revolutionary situations happening has to happen sooner rather than later.

  4. As often the case, some good analyses and valid comments from many contributors to the TDB.

    But.

    The bottom-line remains that without the logical organizational consequences stemming from these analyses the TDB is not more than the ‘Wailing Wall in the Land of the Long White Cloud’.

    Three Basic Options.

    1) Change the existing Green Party from within.

    2) Establish a new eco-socialist political platform.

    3) Facilitate and enhance cooperation and communication among civilian initiatives in AONZ.

    Ms Jacinda and friends cannot do that .…. even if you vote for her.

    System Change. Now.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=354KSku9i4I
    Circling The Drain.

    1. Manfred. Parliamentary politics is holding back the self-activity of the masses to make change. Parliament is constituted as part of the existing regime. The only changes that mattered in history are those of the revolutionary masses overthrowing the old regimes. Eco-socialism is part of revolutionary socialism or it is nothing. I take your point that we need a detailed program to make the changes and that is where the discussion/action must focus. Let’s get to it.

      1. Thanks for response, Dave. So, what would such programme contain? What are your concrete and practical suggestions?

        1. OK for a start I would propose that the demand from business that the state subsidies business losses due to Covid 19 should not be used to stop the market eliminating unproductive, speculative and environmentally destructive ventures.

          Where production is, or can be switched to, sustainable production, determined by environmental and climate change objectives, the state should support it by public or social investments as actual shares in production.

          These would be via a development bank, representing the interests of all producers and replacing the big private banks who are only interested in their massive profits.

          In this way the state would introduce the principle of planning into the chaotic market similar to the first Labour Gov’t during the depression.

          But the real object would be much more radical. To demonstrate that production for profits is irrational when the capitalist market has failed to invest in sustainable production, has caused climate change, created the conditions for pandemics, and yet cannot survive without state subsidies.

          This in fact, has always been the case in NZ where the market could not be established or survive without massive state subsidies.

          The logic would be to convert inefficient production away from private ownership of land, essentially the banks and wealthy farmers, extracting monopoly rents from socially created value, towards the collective ownership of all producers in NZ.

          Of course no capitalist government could do this so it needs a government of all the producers of value based on workers’ and working farmers’ democracy to do it as part of a socialist program.

          1. So,

            a state-owned development bank that financially coordinates structural re-organization across social, economic, environmental sectors toward climate resilience, and

            a state-driven investment programme that awards productive, non-speculative, socially and ecologically acceptable ventures (means of production as well as actual goods).

            Yes.

            An effective starting point.

            Certainly feasible.

  5. While I can see revolutionary socialism making a difference today if it is ever allowed to exist you are wrong about it being the only option for a better future. There was a man about 2000 years ago who set in motion a rescue plan established from the foundation of the world & while the majority of those who claim His name are wrong in what they say & do it is only the general public’s lack of information about what is truth that allows them to continue.
    While MB is able to support having a Marxist blogger he should also allow alternative Christian views to show the significance of world events.

    1. Kia Ora Bonnie. Interesting perspective, indeed. From what I see TDB would probably not block such contributing bloggers…… so, where are the spiritual critical thinkers of the country? Let us hear them.

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