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  1. Option D. Ukraine since taking massive losses in Bakhmut estimated at 70k by Wagner have reverted to well known proven tactics of deliberately attacking civilian populations, after all it’s what they do best.

    1. You are in cloud fantasy land Finngrin. As always you talk in double-Dutch!

      1. Ukraine’s flea bit attacks on Russian civilians only resulted in over 200 dead Ukrainians, the loss of 15 tanks and 20 armored troop carriers. was it worth it Ovod?

        1. The jury is still out whether that information is correct Finngrin. As always you will jump in with anything remotely Putinist. However fools rush in …

        2. Prigozhin himself said this story was fake. Is that you wiping the egg off your face Finngrin?

    2. More correctly it was Russian partisans who attacked the Belgorod region not Ukrainians. As always you got it wrong Finngrin.

  2. Eastern Europe has thousands of years of history like this – no natural borders so just one invading tribe after another. Totally fluid

  3. Where did anyone get the notion that getting rid of Putin would solve everything?
    The war would stop according to Ben
    News flash
    Any dissatisfaction with Putin is mainly because he’s considered to be a pussy, not tough enough .Putin’s successor….and there will be one…is not going to be a pro-western Yeltsin look-a-like, or a rabid nationalist like Navalny
    Been there , done that ,those days are long gone
    You’re going to get a much more hardened , uncompromising hawk, who will not do business with the west, and will pull out all the stops militarily

    1. Who is this Putin replacement magician?

      Problem with all dictatorships is that the dictator cannot brook any rivals or premote a replacement. It is a feature of ALL dictatorships. Putin like Stalin before him purged the able from within their power structure.

      Stalin tolerated Zhukov because he was so good at his job, but Stalin would have got rid of him in a heartbeat. Worth a read;

      https://warisboring.com/georgy-zhukovs-close-call-with-stalins-killers/

      “But in the mad paranoia of the period, Yung’s reports delayed Zhukov’s promotion. This offers one explanation as to why Zhukov survived the purges. Had he been promoted sooner, his chances of being purged would have been greater — as the higher the rank, the more likely one would fall into Stalin’s and the NKVD’s sights. It was typical of Stalin’s purges that the closer one was to the center of power, the greater the risk.”

      Parallels with Putin today in that he has ended up with the most useless leader of the military simple as he has purged the good ones. How many commanders has Putin gone through now?

      Again who will be Russia’s magician?

    2. All the stops have already been pulled out and Russia is still failing in its invasion of Ukraine.

      Russia has thrown everything it can short of nuclear strike, but has proved itself unequal to the task of conquering Ukraine or even holding parts of Ukraine they had occupied in Kherson and Kharkiv. The territory retaken by Ukraine amounts to 63% of the territory captured by Russia in their initial assault.

      As others here have pointed out, any escalation by Russia as per Awakesky’s wet dream would trigger Article 5. A full scale Nato response.

      The Americans say they have the military capability of sinking the whole Russian Black Sea fleet with conventional weapons.
      Putin’s permanent standing professional army has been proved to be a parade army, riddled with corruption, bolstered by reluctant poorly trained and armed civilian conscripts and press ganged prisoners.
      Even if Putin resorted to nuclear weapons it will not save the Russian forces from being destroyed by conventional Nato weapons.
      Not only that, but the revulsion by the whole world not least the Russian people would spell the end of the Putin regime.

      Putin will not be replaced with some one more hardline. Putin’s removal will signal that the war is over and the invasion of Ukraine has failed.

      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/02/us-russia-putin-ukraine-war-david-petraeus

      1. Think of it like tide in, tide out Paddy. Russia sweeps over Ukraine draws Ukraine into battles on their terms and then withdraws to tactical positions, Kherson is a good example of Russia withdrawing to better defensible positions with minimal loss of equipment and hardly any fatalities despite what the West claims. Where has Russia ever stated they wanted to take the entire Ukraine? they never did, demilitarize, de Nazi that’s just the Wests wet dream not based on reality or facts.
        Article 5 of the NATO charter does not impose a mandatory reply to any attack on NATO, what the fuck is NATO going to use since the cupboards are bare.
        As for the Yanks sinking the entire Russian fleet well that’s a joke waiting to be written. Latest war simulations by China showed the entire American fleet was destroyed 5 out of 6 times by China’s hyper sonic missiles the Yanks have yet to still have a successful test of ONE. Iran, China and Russia are the only 3 country’s confirmed by the West to have Hyper sonic missiles.
        Interesting Western talking points about “press ganged prisoners” since Ukraine released a know Noe Nazi convicted of pedophilia and murder of a child to fight, Anyone with those convictions were declined by Wagner. Russian standards.
        Cool story Bro, as I said previously it needs more dragons!

          1. Now that was a post worthy of a PHD, and you wonder why people query your dubious claims. Ovod. Dropping little nuggets like a rabbit since 2022.

          2. Talking about dubious claims are we? Well your obsession with Ukrainians as Nazis is total bs! You are a sadly deluded simpleton finngrin!

      2. Russia has not pulled out all the stops.
        That is Western arrogance and fantasy.

        They’re not exhausting themselves over Ukraine. There is no need. And that is the US’s goal.

    3. Navalny a rabid nationalist? Get a grip you nasty, nasty man! Nothing feminine about you Francesca!

      1. Lets have a read about Navalny according to Baud, an ex NATO officer.
        It’s ironic to see European politicians taking up the cause of Navalny, an extreme right-wing nationalist, who approves of the annexation of Crimea (and declared in the pro-western Moscow Times that he wouldn’t give it back if he came to power ), who has never expressed a concrete project for Russia, who has sought to enrich himself through embezzlement, and who represents none of the values that Europe claims to defend!.
        https://www.thepostil.com/alexei-navalny-the-real-story/

        1. It’s typical of you NickJ to trot out yet another conspiracy theorist. Baud has zero credibility.

          1. Like you PhuD? Comparatively he’s a giant, you are a slug. And that insults slugs.

          2. A thoroughly discredited conspiracy theorist? Nick J you can do better than that! You are truly desperate!
            Navalny went through a nationalist phase but he certainly can’t be classed as one now. He is an anti corruption campaigner who has been imprisoned because he is popular in Russia.
            Can you justify his imprisonment Nick J? You would have to be a real misanthropist to do so.

      2. PhuD you comment re Francesca. Disgusting, you sexist neanderthal. Lower than shark shit.

    4. You seem very sure of yourself ‘Francesca’ (obviously male). You cannot predict what would happen after Putin. You have no mortgage on truth. Can you speak Russian? I would imagine not. Очень жаль!

  4. If the ” Wagner,” private Russian army get to powerful then they could take over Russia.

    He who controls the fire power controls the country… Every time!

    Putin lives by the sword and will die by the sword.

  5. If Pat + Looks up the well-defined objectives of the military campaign he will see that those objectives do not include major territory changes. They have Crimea, Maruiopol Luhansk, Donetsk, Bakhmut and the land and the land and see in between. The Russians will eventually take Odesa. If Ukraine is winning Pat, I would hate to see what losing looks like.

  6. It would appear from reports that the “offensive” has been underway for two days. Who knows, seems very underwhelming so far but let’s keep powder dry and not be preempt.

    In a fortnight we will be eating or demanding humble pie. I await the response.

  7. Now the Putinists have blown up the Dnipro dam at Nova Kakhovka. Now the Russian press is lying through its teeth about who did it.

  8. I like your last sentence Johan. It appears the Russians know they are losing and it is scorched earth as they retreat now. The dam destruction will buy them sometime and free up some troops temporarily but it is clearly counter productive if Russian were plans to hold Kherson and Crimea long term. IMO the Kremlin can see the writing on the wall and this destruction of territory they illegally declared to be Russian signifies a change of tack and that they have now abandoned that dream.

    1. I was outraged at the aggressively nationalistic stance of Evgeny Popov, a member of the Duma, who was interviewed on BBC 4.
      He was totally refusing to admit that the captured provinces were Ukrainian at all.
      I look forward to seeing this clown being tried in the ICC at The Hague!

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