GROAN: In defence of the NZ Police
Watching middle class twitter demand police use force on protestors is not how I thought 2022 was shaping up!
I love they use all the same bullshit arguments the Right used when trying to shut our protests down in the 90s.
Oh the irony.
Here is Woke Lord Clint Smith calling on the removal of the head of the Police to enforce a harsher regime of State enforcement…
…that escalated quickly.
If the desire to call in the military over protestors by the woke scares you – imagine if the Woke gain hate speech powers?
Their lust for revenge against everyone who contradicts dogma is the excited steam from a fanatics glasses
They will be coming for everyone!
Look, there has been an enormous amount of shit thrown at the Police for their supposed inaction at this feral lunatic fringe jamboree.
I can’t believe I’m going to have to be the one to say this, but I have to defend the Policing tactics of containment that are being adopted here.
Why don’t we arrest Gangs when they drive a dead comrade to their grave? Why don’t we arrest them when they take over the road? Why don’t we arrest them when they do burnouts?
We don’t do it because the level of force required in a heightened emotional moment would be absolutely over the top for the rule broken.
It’s a Utilitarian approach to Policing and combined with a philosophy of containment and de-escalation the NZ Police are able to Police with consent and trust.
The sudden desire by middle class twitter to define everyone as a Nazi so the Police clubs can go a singing is alarming.
Trev has already given these lunatics enough propaganda for a lifetime, do we really want to inspire fundamentalists anymore than he already has with a violent police action requiring Riot Police, tear gas, dogs and batons?
Really?
Next move will be Antifa & watch the apologists then.
Folks, the very civil rights that protect us, protect them.
Undermine them, you undermine us.
I have yet to see one interview with a protestor that after a terrible & painful personal mandate experience – which truly pulls at your heart – that then doesn’t veer off into some crazy demented conspiracy theory – there is no doubt this misery is being manipulated, but what exactly has the Government done over the last 4 years that stopped the Lumpenproletariat from having their pain manipulated by the far right?
Firm de-escalation, not sending in the military or riot cops is the only solution in front of us.
The factions of this blancmange of ignorance provide insight into how splintered their realities have become in a reactionary social media landscape of pus and hate:
- Philip Arps
- Liz Gunn
- Brett Powers
- Karen Brewer
- Cameron Slater
- Never Vaxxers
- Crystal Karens
- Damien De Ment
- New Zealand Doctors Speaking Out with Science
- Billy TK
- Freedom Alliance NZ
- Outdoors & Freedom Movement – Sue Grey
- Destiny Church
- Matt King
- Action Zealandia
- Sovereign Hikoi of Truth
- Leighton Baker
- Chantelle Baker
- Voices for Freedom
- Counterspin – Kelvyn Alp and Hannah Spierer
- Howl of Protest
- Qanon
That’s just 22 of the main factions, I’m not even touching the sub factions, they get a lot more cross burny the further down you go.
The Government can’t negotiate with people threatening and abusing them – that’s not how protest works, but they can and should listen to their concerns.
Half of this problem has been about the Left refusing to engage because the Left in their smug arrogance have told themselves they know best.
Those being punished most by the yoke of economic and social mandates have every right to be angry, every right to protest and every right to be heard.
They don’t have a right to make life unliveable for those near by and they don’t have a right to threaten and abuse.
By sending an MP with mana to hear their concerns and take them to the top table, the Government avoids incentivising illegality to force interaction.
By acknowledging the concerns, the Government then have the right to start dismantling the parked car issue while allowing the protestors to stay on the lawn and avoid a Bastion Point style moment that will tear at the fabric of the nation.
By demanding the tents and cars go first before negotiations, the Government will fail and look weaker than they are now.
Where are the adults and why is a man child like Trev still being allowed to enflame things?
This protest must be respected, but negotiating with it only highlights how weak the Governments response has been.
Move the cars and wait for Omicron to clear the rest.
It will be pure luck if we can de-escalate this now.
If we don’t want so many angry, frightened and hurt working class people turning to the Nazi’s, maybe do something meaningful about their anger, hurt and fear first?
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Why can’t we get anything done for the people by government? Because the shitheads in politics have developed a sad case of brainworm from self-promoters burrowing into their heads and filling it with mushy cellular growths called slough so there can be no healthy circulation of anything going on in there.
(slough – the dropping off of dead tissue from living flesh)
Example below, and remember this is only one of many.
From google : Clint Smith | The Spinoff
https://thespinoff.co.nz › authors › clint-smith
15/07/2020 — Clint Smith. Guest writer. Clint Smith is a former adviser to Jacinda Ardern and Director of Victor Strategy and Communications.
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Team – Capital Government Relations
https://www.capitalnz.com › team
Clint Smith. Research Director. Clint has extensive experience in New Zealand’s political system, having worked for both the Labour and Green Parties in a …
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Government Relations | Victor Strategy & Communications …
https://www.victorstrategycommunications.com
VSC works with multinationals, New Zealand firms and business associations, as well as NGOs. . Our director, Clint Smith, uses his wealth of experience in the …
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Great post Martyn
Successful day. 🙂
The sky stadium parking is now full, I’ve spent all day here I’m wondering I’m at the same protest the msm are covering tbh
As usual the Jacinda Govt has dropped the agency not really responsible for this in the deep end. You can see the frustration and panic on the police commissioners face. Unfortunately this government has been doing that a bit lately including with Ashley Bloomfield at MOH lol. This Government needs to take responsibility for what is going on now and plan a way forward.
The 1979 movie the Warriors is coming to Parliament House with each gang composed of the neglected and disparate sections of society.
The Renters
The Homeless
Maori
Pacifica
The Anti mandaters
The Anti vaxxers
The Nurses
The Wannabe FHB’s
The Young
The Poor
The 501’s
The Grounded Kiwis
The Tourist Industry
The Small Businesses
The parents of poor kids
The Churches
There is only really three gangs very satisfied with this current government who will not be attending
The Property investors
The multi millionaires
The Real Estate Agents
“It’s a Utilitarian approach to Policing and combined with a philosophy of containment and de-escalation the NZ Police are able to Police with consent and trust”
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“Folks, the very civil rights that protect us, protect them. Undermine them, you undermine us.”
Totally agree Martyn, the latter is not a difficult concept and 20 years ago self-evident on the left. Which MP(s) do you think have mana to hear protestors concerns?
Agree with Anker. Spot on article. The police have done an excellent job so far, and showed great self discipline. They deserve to be commended. In a liberal, progressive democracy the minority are given the same ground as the majority – this is a very important feature.
The protest feels like it needs a political solution and this has to come from the top.
Time to change tack and engage and, FFS, provide economic relief – this is imperative – and would immediately dissipate 80% of the current anger.
This is the biggest test of our young PM’s career and a change in strategy is desperately needed – I don’t know how this can be done without losing face but sticking to the current plan could be even worse.
The Wellingtonians reported by media as angry at the police for not protecting them in the vicinity of Parliament, Bowen Street, Molesworth St etc, can take alternative routes on foot, by car, and probably by bike – in fact the buses will take bikes and their riders, as well as pedestrians, and Wellington is already a great little city for walking in, with steps and elevators in odd places.
Persons domiciled in the immediate area do have issues, especially older persons, and family and neighbours are an obvious first port of call. It’s unrealistic to expect police to address every issue of abuse when their own routine work is now lagging behind, staff are being redeployed from other duties and other areas, and they themselves are getting abused themselves by irrational nutters.
Wellington isn’t a war zone, even if some media are thirsting for it be so, nor is it a refugee camp, and people can adapt – those of us who lived in London during the IRA bombings did. If bloody Trevor doesn’t start blasting out the music of the night again, or do something stupid, hopefully the more responsible demonstrators can manage some reasonable scenarios.
How much publicity bored media persons should be giving to the protestors is another issue, and their speculation and ignorant opinions aren’t always particularly helpful, nor intended to be.
The impact on children throughout Wellington is a greater concern; these kids have emerged from lockdowns and significant lifestyle changes, and I believe that the current tensions are adding to some of their anxiety levels, and that the protestors should be more cognisant of their responsibility towards our most precious taonga, and that once again, Kiwi children are being let down by the ramifications for their illegal self-serving occupation.
Good post.
…”If we don’t want so many angry, frightened and hurt working class people turning to the Nazi’s, maybe do something meaningful about their anger, hurt and fear first?”…
WELL,….its a bloody pity we didn’t think and damn well talk about this some 40 years ago when Douglas and Richardson were lying and lording it all over us and shafting mainly NZ workers , don’t you think? And it doesn’t matter if it were Labour or National, – the same scum neo liberals simply passed the baton and played good cop, bad cop.
They’ve been conducting their treasons for that long. Four bloody decades and all the limp Left could do was turn woke. People are sick of it. Housing crisis my arse, – housing is now at impossible prices and whose making on it? Foreign Australian banks, that’s who! Who don’t give a shit along with their NZ neo liberal political mates. And that’s just one issue. Try a minimum wage economy in the land of bloody plenty! What’s all that about Bill English and Jacinda ‘do nothing’ Adern? This country has become a rich mans play ground, – and most of them foreigners. As for covid?, – why is it in this country the wealthy have made millions from it while honest working people have lost their jobs and businesses, mortgages and homes?
It is well known that this ‘covid’ scam has entailed one of the greatest transfers of wealth,- and not just in this country, – while millions suffer. And where does all that transfer of wealth end up?- in the wealthy elites pockets, that’s where. So yes, there are many issues why people are pissed off and there is a huge back log of issues,- and covid is just the catalyst. And yet we see the Left wing turning round and acting like a bunch of conservative right wingers with their tirades of abuse at those protesting, – howling for the cops to get tough and the military to be brought in. It sounds like so many are more like conservative reactionists than from the Left. The truth is you are simply woke. And you are political tribal animals.
And don’t give me that post omicron tripe. We did the lock down thing in Auckland for months and elsewhere hoping it would work ,… possibly it did. But now its omicron, the weaker variety. Not much more than a common cold. And its time the mandates were shelved and something done about the appalling poverty and wages, homelessness and affordable housing, – along with food prices and petrol,… and that’s only the start. Its time that the Jacinda ‘do nothing’ Adern Labour led govt got on with reality and fulfilled its election promises and got off their useless arses.
Covid isn’t a scam. Omicron is worse than a cold for a lot of people. The lockdown originally worked.
You have some valid other points, just not the misinformation.
The people who are going to be paying for the crap-mongering of those pseudo-protestors are our nation’s health workers. They are intending to have their own, genuine, protest in about ten days time, I think. They need and deserve our attention. Many lives depend on them.
But those spoiled, selfish brats playing their political power games when we are on the verge of a new national health crisis, are ensuring that the genuine protest will be overshadowed, and the overworked and under-resourced health workers barely heard.
I am ashamed of what some of the people of NZ are becoming. It is morally and ethically repugnant.
For all those false flag deniers on here making the protest out to be solely about anti mandates – here’s some excellent real journalism. https://www.webworm.co/p/hangings?utm_source=url
There is a dark underbelly to these protests, democracy is in the process of being undermined by the far right around the world, including here.
Mandates are a distraction – their endgame is violence and a coup
Thanks for the link, Dazza.
Shocker.
I don’t think gang members driving to and from a funeral is actually trespassing is it? And it’s a matter of a few hours where people might feel intimidated because of the look of a patched gathering, but do the gang members actually go up and abuse people jut passing and then wank on about freedom?