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  1. “Money well spent?” except for the small point that many farmers are wallowing in cash already in comparison to the neo lib generated underclass and precariat! Financial reward for doing what they should do anyway would likely never be generous enough for them, particularly if the “Commie Princess” is involved!

    Farmers even fiddled and defied their own stock movement tracking system designed to keep their industry safer and M Bovus resulting spiked. I guess any number of placatory measures could be tried on the Nat knuckle draggers of self employment, SMEs and the provinces but it is better to keep them politely at arms length really.

    Chris’ point about Jacinda, Grant Robertson and Chris Hipkins lack of political understanding and the sweep of history is spot on though. Good grief, even the Reserve Bank is advising a stimulus package for a Govt. spend up on infrastructure!

    1. Not all farmers are wallowing in cash. In fact most of the younger ones are up to their eye balls in debt and being screwed by the same land price increase that is stuffing things up for young townies.

      We on the left need to get away from the culture war with farmers. We’ve got 9 years to sort this out and to be honest we’re fucking it up. By going on a self righteous trip against the farming community we’re actually making it harder to prevent climate change.

      Imagine telling your great-grandchildren that you could have stopped runaway climate change but instead you just got in a fight with farmers. It sounds pretty idiotic but that’s exactly what we’re doing – and our hypocrisy, as we still drive cars and so all the things modern humans do, is there for everyone else to see.

  2. Ever since I was a boy, Tiger, I have admired the wisdom of Aesop’s fable about the North Wind and the Sun.

    The two protagonists spy a man walking along the road on a chilly day and the North Wind proposes a test to see who is the stronger. The winner will be the one who forces the traveler to remove his cloak.

    The North Wind (remember this is a Northern Hemisphere fable) begins the contest. His icy breath beats against the traveler, forcing him to lean into the wind. The North Wind blows harder and harder, but with every freezing gust the traveler hugs his cloak more tightly around him.

    Then it is the Sun’s turn. He smiles down upon the traveler. His rays, full of warmth and light, heat the man’s body. Sweat breaks out on his brow. The Sun shines even more brightly. The traveler mops his brow and then, looking up with wonder at his bright benefactor, unfastens his cloak and throws it over his arm.

    Sunny ways, Tiger, sunny ways.

  3. I can totally see Labour targeting the farmers just like they joined the Natz in targeting specific groups that they feel did not vote for them, aka landlords in the blame game of immigration blow backs… look where that got them massive rental shortages, but hey, plenty of labour for car yards, cafes and fake businesses and the burgeoning social housing businesses like Compass and motels as emergency accomodation…

    Life continues as normal neoliberalism which in NZ has morphed into bowing to all foreign business and having mostly overseas business with overseas individuals turned NZ passport holders, running most of our services in NZ. A great outcry when it looks like something has gone wrong with that model, (aka student body not found for 8 weeks in NZ student halls) but that will presumably require a few apologies and reports and no deep examination of what happens when you give up control to businesses and profits in education.

    Meanwhile under that social engineering scenario, local society seems to be disintegrating fast in NZ, from a student body not being found for 8 weeks in a student hall run by an Aussie business, to a recent resident gunning down 51 people in a mass murder and regular hauls of financial, tax, labour, sexual assault, drug, immigration scams and money laundering is now so common here and seemingly encouraged based on the very low level of punishment given to those crimes, certainly not deportation! The government message is, we want those fuckers here!

    If Labour wanted to target climate change are Labour prepared to tax and limit airline and cruise travel? Limit the amount of new people living in NZ and using cars and the sewerage system? Not be jetting off to another international conference?

    NZ officials and government have already cherry picked many industries OUT of climate change emissions, like air travel… just like cruise ship passengers don’t have to pay the paltry tourism charges.

    Yep pretty unlikely Labour and Greens really want to examine and actually do something to limit tourist effects and not take that overseas trip.

    However to combat the environmental costs of travel, NZ neoliberals are even thinking of keeping the educational Ponzi of selling NZ residency on the back of a fake degree by having NZ institutions operating in foreign countries… well we can all see how that will end up with the Fonterra example and the overseas visa examples… pretty much NZ government stamped scams, using the NZ brand to scam people into thinking the goods and services are safe and being astonished when social harm from foreign scams are inflicted on others believing in the NZ brand.

    Sadly climate change which in itself has become a meaningless and overused word by the mainstream, and reduced to just emissions because so easy to put into a spread sheet for the paper pushers…. however along with climate change is the other big issue effecting the planet, which is environmental pollution and degradation and biodiversity loss which is seldom mentioned because polluters want to argue just about emissions not actually examine the entire eco system including air and water, seems to have turned to shit, in our dirty nests.

    NZ politicians and officials seemingly love the neoliberal aspect of cherry picking emissions but not that keen on examining how they can stop ocean, land and air pollution and NZ is one of the worst offenders per capita in the world with quite a few flora and fauna about to become extinct here… look at Maui dolphins which have only about 65 left now, the government is virtually doing nothing practical to save them, from allowing fishing in their habitat, to not installing cameras in fishing vessels to keep an eye on by catch, to consents for sand mining in the pipeline and the lack of interest in limiting ocean pollution in the first place, aka granting water bottling into plastic bottles to be shipped around the world, much of which ends up in the ocean and the polluting effects of shipping in the first place.

    Now they are taking about plastic recycling as a big scheme, hang on, we used to use glass bottles and recycled it 30 years ago, before consumers were forced by manufacturers under Rogernomics into plastic bottles for everything!

  4. Yes, a succinct take, a variation perhaps on “love thine enemy”, “unite all who can be united”, “be kind”, “work with and struggle against” etc. the dialectics of what you suggest for engaging farmers certainly appear in order. One of my personal blind spots unfortunately just happens to be… NZ F-a-r-m-e-r-s… particularly those whose activities involve animals.

  5. ‘stuffed their mouths with gold’ was re consultants, who simply would not have worked for the NHS without a very good deal.

    The BMA were the GPs trade union and they only dropped their opposition to the NHS when they belatedly realised that the majority of their members had either agreed, or were about to agree, to become NHS contractors.

    The establishment of the NHS was not the ‘the keystone of the Labour Government’s socialist programme’, but wartime coalition policy, for the end of hostilities, agreed across parties.

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