Similar Posts

- Advertisement -

14 Comments

  1. We need to ask the man himself.
    “Do you, Winston Peters, still hold the neo-liberal views as expressed in your addresses to parliament, while you were Treasurer of the National led government of 1997, sited above?”

    Considering he now says the neo-liberal experiment has failed he would have to reply “No”
    But Winston rarely answers questions directly.

    It certainly is a bit rich of him to site only Labour and National as the “parties who have proven since the last 32 years, [that beo-liberalism has been a failure] one started this economic disaster and the other one has continued it”, when NZ First supported it to the hilt during the 96-99 Nat/NZ First reign.

    If what he promulgates now is what he’d practice if he got the power to, I’d back him to the hilt.
    But who the hell knows?

    1. Bob Jones formed the New Zealand Party in 1983 to split the National vote and deliver the neo-liberal Rogernomics Labour Party to power in 1984. Arguably Peter’s formed NZ First for the same reason, using left rhetoric to take votes away from Labour and the Alliance, and keep National in power. Tau Henare, the second NZ First MP, was a National MP from 2005-2014. Clearly, the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree, and any kiwi voter wanting a change of government in 2017 cannot be sure to get it by voting NZ First.

  2. Same old bollocks then, same old bollocks now, same old bollocks all the time: growth, ‘sustainable development’, prosperity, trade, tourism.

    Not mentioned on this occasion but nevertheless a key component of the Orwellian nonsense churned out by the politicians who continue to sabotage NZ’s future: ‘protecting the environment’.

    As slippery as an eel.

  3. Nice research Frank.
    I have no idea how people consider Winnie and NZ First to be left-wing.
    We have Mana and the Greens. We should vote for one of those to drag Labour back to it’s roots.

  4. Now why does a stated desire for lower taxes equate to being ‘neo-liberal’?

    This country has an appetite for taxation for ‘vague reasons’ – and we see very little good from it in either the private or public sector.

    A desire to get people off pittances and into ways of earning income that may or may not require ‘a job’ or an enterprise seems like a very good idea indeed. The ‘welfare system’ appears to attract some singularly unpleasant and unprincipled people. It is a huge relief to never have to pass through those portals to hell again.

    I agree with the notion of actually asking Winston, or Ron Mark, what they currently mean by the statements because they have that ‘Mom and apple pie’ sound to them – open to being interpreted any way your own values dictate. Highly dangerous, and we’ve had quite enough of that modus operandi.

  5. Well, is Winston that much different from what Labour spokespersons say?

    And much of what they comment is not that wrong, it depends on how it is all interpreted.

    Perhaps Winston and his party have also “evolved” a bit since that time?

    1. Anyone who makes this statement at least deserves to be in parliament…

      “In response, Peters said Finlayson’s conclusion it would breach the privacy of foreign buyers was “balderdash” and could only be ​reached by a “plutocratic officious nerd.”

      “Privacy is of course what money launderers and investors trying to evade their own country’s jurisdiction love the most, and the Attorney-General seems to be right up their alley.”

      “plutocratic officious nerd.” sums Finlayson up beautifully.

  6. Remember that NZ First supported the Clark led government, after the late 1990s. While the Labour government until 2008 can be seen as somewhat moderately neoliberal, with a social democratic touch, it moved away from the line the Nats followed, who Peters joined for a while, with his NZ First party. We remember that did not last.

    Times have changed, Peters may have changed, but that aside, we also know, he can change his tunes, depending on who he considers suitable and convenient to go into government with (possibly not directly part of a coalition, but supporting a government on either side of the aisles).

  7. Well one must admit Peters is the perennial survivor , that that was 1997 , and we now see that neo liberalism has indeed failed completely.

    And in saying that , its taken 32 years for this aberrant political ideology to have run its course and shown enough of its true colours to convince people of its failure.

    So why should Peters be any different in that final realization?… and why also should he abstain from articulating now what his constituents are saying?

    As I said on Chris Trotters post, some cynics would call it populism – others would call it representing his constituents…once again… call it what you will.

    The facts are that he was willing to work with Bolger’s and Clarke’s govt’s ,- and in both cases he was the junior partner in both of those arrangements. And to be fair to Peters as an example ,… does the current Maori party now wag the National party dog?… no. It doesn’t. It is a junior partner.

    You will recall that Peters worked in with Bolger despite being sacked from the National Party…. or rather Peters opted to leave and form his own party…

    Why?

    Because at that time he disagreed with the extreme elements of neo liberalism. And that was also the cause of friction between him and Ruth Richardson. And later on Jenny Shipley.

    Come the time for Helen Clarkes govt, … was Clarke in a hurry to dismantle the neo liberal edifice?…. no.

    She tinkered with it and chose instead the ‘ steady as she goes ‘ route.

    And was quite happy to include Peters .

    There is only so much a coalition partner can demand in any arrangement. It would appear that Peters, like many among the public , were learning just what the term ‘ neo liberalism’ entailed. The very fact that it took some time to even garner a label shows that there was a time lag between understanding just what it was and how it operates and then being able to decide if it was a good thing or a bad thing. Particularly in the public’s mind.

    Yet the Bolger govt and the Clarke govt are long gone. Brash is gone. And Key was only moved in place to provide a softer face for public consumption of what is a very anti public spirited ,anti sovereign agenda.

    It is only lately that certain politicians are starting to display a tentative yet distinct opposition to neo liberal largess,… with Peters being one of them and earlier on than most . And certainly more assertive than just being a little ‘ tentative’.

    Answer this : was there a Jeremy Corban or Bernie Sanders style voice in either England or the USA or even in NZ in all those decades? …in 1997 ? … again the answer is no. At least ,not really. They were always there to but to gain the type of traction we see now is more a recent development.

    Was there a Brexit in 1997?… no.

    And so again, I would say that Peters has evolved with the times, – but yet so have the general public – not just in NZ but in the West as a whole. But I will say that Peters was among one of the early whistelblower’s in this country. You may be right in saying there is some part of the old right wing there ,… but it would be wrong totally to say it hasn’t been tempered with the ample proof and evidence against neo liberalism over time.

    He and his party may not be the sole and total answer in taking this country back to a more civilized ,fairer, and prosperous social democracy ,( no one party or individual is currently- and that by the way is what MMP is all about ) but he is certainly , – whether we like it or not , – along with others an important figure in helping to facilitate that slow groundswell and movement away from the destructiveness of the neo liberal failure and to a more equitable redistribution of wealth .

    And this going to take some time to achieve. It wont happen overnight , – neo liberalism has had 32 long years to dismantle the democracy and wealth of the commons,… why should we think it’ll happen some time next year???

    3 generations have been indoctrinated with its pernicious argument. It will take at least 10 years of solid , reconstruction and leading the way for the public to refute it as an erroneous social and economic doctrine.

    In summary I think if we only dwell on statements from 1997 , and deliberately ignore more recent statements and actions, … and fail to appraise in historical context the political climate of that time we do not only the subject a disservice but also ourselves.

    Peters cant just come out and say what side right or left he will go with – as much as we would like him too,… they are , frustratingly so at times ,… a centrist party. Many of their policy’s swing towards centre left however. If Peters went with Key , it would be interesting how the Maori party would fare…frankly I would prefer both the Maori party and NZ First to forsake National.

    The collective guilt , deceit , lies and incompetence of the Key led govt and his front bench – and any other strains of political party’s or individuals with neo liberal inclinations – needs to be firmly stamped out into history and done away with before this country can be released to prosper again in the true sense of the word.

    And in that I think we are far better off with NZ First as an ally than a foe.

  8. I’ve nerve trusted Peters since 1996 and I see no reason to change my opinion of him now.

    At least with Key you know what you get, a lying, self-serving, manipulative ass.

    With Peters, his deception runs deep.

  9. Winston has never been a supporter of neoliberalism and State Asset Sales, we have sold $24.6 Billion of State Assets since the 1980’s which would now we worth $100-$200 Billion and we are now $120 Billion in Debt these State Asset Sales was a wasted exercise as we are now even deeper in the shit?

    1. I think Frank has proved conclusively in the documents supplied that Peters was a spokesperson for neo-liberalism. Just compare the quotes Frank pulled from Peters’ speeches with the quotes from the ACT speech and the NZ Initiative policy platform. Unless you’re saying they never supported neo-liberalism either?

      Perhaps you’re right that Peters never supported the *privatization* aspect, but to be sure, we’d have to check that he never voted in favour of any legislation that enabled privatization. Are you willing to put money on that? Perhaps Frank and his shockingly thorough research skills can settle such a bet for us?

      1. Perhaps you’re right that Peters never supported the *privatization* aspect, but to be sure, we’d have to check that he never voted in favour of any legislation that enabled privatization. Are you willing to put money on that? Perhaps Frank and his shockingly thorough research skills can settle such a bet for us?

        And you would be right on that, Strypey. During his tenure as Treasurer in the National-NZ First Coalition government (11 Dec 1996 – 14 Aug 1998), Peters was party to the sale of several airports around the country (ref: http://www.treasury.govt.nz/government/assets/saleshistory ), including the Auckland Airport in June 1998. (ref: http://canterbury.cyberplace.org.nz/community/CAFCA/cafca98/june98.html)

        On top of which, Peters reneged on NZ First’s committment to buy back cutting rights for the Kaingaroia Forest, that the previous Bolger government had flogged off to Chinese interests in
        1996. (See: https://fmacskasy.wordpress.com/2014/03/31/winston-peters-recycles-pledge-to-buy-back-state-assets-where-have-we-heard-that-before/)

        Peters’ actions are yet to meet his rhetoric.

Comments are closed.