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  1. So you’ve never spent a week swimming in Kai Iwi Lakes, just rain water makes the whole body feel wonderful. If the haven’t been destroyed by the jet skis. They are free. That aside fully agree with your post.
    http://www.vandruff.com/mlm.html is informative about multi level scams.

  2. Happy to read this post and to warn others from this health and financial scam.
    These machines have a very basic filter which does not remove much at all especially things like fluoride.
    Kangen also wastes a lot of water in its process to make high pH water and builds a lot of toxins on their metallic plates which needs to be cleaned regularly.
    Kangen machine don’t make the water alkaline at all. the ionising process simply lifts the pH, there is a difference between higher pH and high alkaline. Real alkaline water is healthy for you, but this artificially made water is not healthy at all as a few studies have shown.

    I feel for all the gullible people who get lied into buying them.

  3. So a nice middle class University educated white woman goes to a snake oil meeting and feels superior to the non white people who are about to be ripped off! Snake oil sells because life is so dreadful that any way out is better than living as they are!

  4. “So a nice middle class University educated white woman”.

    Nothing wrong with being nice Lucy – I wish more people were.

    Nothing wrong with being middle class Lucy – They’re a vanishing species.

    Nothing wrong with being university educated Lucy- Well not until today.

    Nothing wrong with being white Lucy – But it’s getting harder and harder.

    What Liz has to say is as valid as anybody else, and as a woman I like hearing other woman speak up, and when they are as patently educated as she is, I’m more inclined to listen and to say – Thank you.

    Saying that she feels superior is conjecture – And so what anyway ?

    The message Lucy, the message, the message. Hear it, just as I hear yours. Kia kaha.

  5. Snow White my point is that the article comes across as patronizing and rude. The haha I am so smart I would not be caught by this scam attitude does not help! As a person with a chronic disability I know how many scams are out there because people want a cure, because to live in a society that really wants the poor, the unfit, the different to be excluded takes every bit of energy you have. Wherever you have pain, longing and desperation you have people trying to make money out of the sufferers. The people at these meeting are trying to find hope, most have been failed by the current ways they have tried to make their lives better. The message should be mobilise against the people and the institutions that harm people to the point of needing witchcraft to have a normal life.

    1. Hey Lucy, eye of the beholder here. Not rude. Went with flatmate to see what I could see. Was shocked and upset about it. Did some research to find out what the hell was going on. Found out was going on. Felt bad for friends of friends. Wrote about it.
      The spiel presented at that session was persuasive. It essentially answered everything that any of those people wanted to know. Some of the answers given were wrong. Some in depth research (a couple of hours work) revealed the truth under the spiel.
      Save my friends investment in snake oil. AM happy

      1. Liz I apologose for a bit of a personal attack but did feel like there was a bit of a superior thing going on – wrongly. Have been to a number of miracle cure things and the reality is that they are very persuasive as they try and hype you to signing up and to believe. I am glad you saved your friends, wish something like the Commerce Commission could shut down the rahrah meetings for all the wonder drugs, wonder cleaners, shopping trucks and all the other ways ruthless people sell from the poorest in our society.

    2. My apologies Lucy. I do see how this article may appear patronising, and I agree 100% about scams which take advantage of often very desperate people.

      Could blame the Nats – and they have much to answer for – for their health privatisation by stealth, and removing often simple services – like physiotherapy for MS sufferers – and I could ask why has none of this been systematically addressed by the MSM, but heaven knows who cares.

      I don’t mean to trivialise your response at all, because being different in NZ has never been easy, it’s getting worse, and living in constant pain, or fear, and then being taken advantage of is very bad and very sad.

      I keep hoping that we find a great inspirational leader from somewhere who is able to galvanise the country to be courageous, and be decent.

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