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  1. Wait what? What is so wrong with RCEP that you call it toxic and put it on the same level as the TPPA?

    1. The only leaked texts that we have so far (in another secret negotiation) show Japan and South Korea have transferred IP and investment provisions from the TPPA, and there are some aspects that are TPPA-plus. Other aspects are especially toxic for the developing countries, in particular the level of obligations that are being demanding of the least-developed countries who do not need to do anything similar in the WTO.

      1. Listen to Jane Korakys, she has spent many years researching all these Trojan so called “deals”, so what she points out is gospel and nothing else mate.

  2. Please note that this was written several days ago and is out of date in several respects. There seems now to be acceptance that there will not be a vote in the lame duck period. There is lots of noise about other options, which will continue to be aired before, during and after the APEC trade ministers’ meeting. These include a TPPA without the US, which is not legally possible unless they either change the terms of the agreement’s entry into force, which requires US consent, or create a duplicate agreement, but there are too many countries that would not be interested in that option. Quite what Trump will do is still anyone’s guess. Meanwhile attention has turned to the fate of TiSA, with suggestions the ministerial meeting proposed for 4-5 Dec in Geneva won’t happen because they can’t conclude the deal due to positions taken in the EU, and no-one knows Trump’s view of TiSA, if he even knows that it exists. So watch this space …

  3. I have a sneaking suspicion the neo-liberal element of the Republican Party will sneak through either an amended TPP or a re-branded version of it.

    Trump has shown he can back-flip with the likes of John Key, so expect Olympic-class somersaults and back-flips.

  4. Nope, I do not think they will try and run with getting the TPPA passed in that short time left for them. It will be political suicide for many, and Trump and his supporters will be furious, it would anyway be undone as soon as he gets his administration running.

    TPPA is a dead duck sinking in the water.

        1. 100% Clump_AKA Sam

          Obama was a traitor on the other side where deep pockets lie, not truth and justice.

    1. Yep but our government just passed all the legislation needed to ratify it anyway:

      The government’s Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP) legislation has passed its third reading at Parliament this afternoon, despite the likelihood the trade deal won’t proceed.

      Which, IMO, pretty much proves that this is not about doing what is right or good for NZ but doing what multinational corporations want.

      1. OUR government is so disconnected to reality, it is not funny, hence the slack action to address the climate change issues, and causes. Key and his lot live in the past, love the past, and are highly reluctant to change. That is a change from fossil fuel energy driven economic activity, from individual car traffic and from business as usual, the neoliberal way.

        And yes, corporations have open doors in the NZ government’s quarters.

  5. ” But more importantly seize the momentum and generate debate on what an alternative progressive international trade strategy might look like for a people’s 21st century.”

    What ? ,…. and cut out the Mont Pelerin society , the Bilderbergers, the Rothchilds banking elites and all the other neo liberal hangers on like John Key?

    OK , then.

    Tall order but OK then.

    I like it.

    When do we start?

    Perhaps we can start with the man who likes to say … You’re (F.I.R.E.)D!!!

    1. Yep WK

      I think Trump knows how these assholes all think, and as he said this week he will “drain the swamp” (Washington) beginning with the liberal Klingons that cozied up to NATO!!!!!

      That evil organisation is clearly just a front for Stoltenberg’s new era of the “Fifth Reich” nothing more.

  6. Trump is the best thing that ever happened to the fate of the TPPA. If nothing else, at least we can all agree that the Trump victory is a plus for NZ on this one issue. Perosnally, I think Trump is very much a moderate in so far such a beast exists in US politics, indeed more so than Hillary “there isn’t a war I haven’t supported” Clinton.

    1. Perosnally, I think Trump is very much a moderate in so far such a beast exists in US politics

      And yet, Nitrium, he is surrounding himself with hard-right Republicans, Reince Priebus and Stephen Bannon?

      The Guardian had this to say about Bannon;

      Bannon was the executive chairman of the far-right website Breitbart News for much of the past decade. The site is the most widely read conservative news and opinion site in the US, but it is charged with being racist, antisemitic and sexist, and of repeatedly peddling conspiracy theories to further its agenda.

      Breitbart has, among other things, accused Obama of “importing more hating Muslims”, compared conservative commentator Bill Kristol to a “renegade Jew”, likened Planned Parenthood’s work to the Holocaust, said young Muslims in the west were a “ticking time bomb”, and advised female victims of online harassment to “just log off” and stop “screwing up the internet for men”.

      Bannon stands on the far right of the Republican party. Following his appointment, the Anti-Defamation League’s chief executive, Jonathan Greenblatt, issued a statement calling Bannon “hostile to core American values”.

      There’s more, but I think we get the gist of it.

      And Priebus;

      Priebus, 44, is the long-serving chairman of the Republican National Committee (RNC) and loyal adviser to the Trump campaign. He is a Washington insider, having worked in government since 2004, and his friendship with the House speaker, Paul Ryan, is expected to be instrumental in securing early legislative victories for the Trump administration.

      A lawyer by training, Priebus served as state treasurer in Wisconsin and worked his way up through the Wisconsin Republican party to become chairman in 2007.

      After he led his party to success in the November 2010 elections in the state, which had previously been held by the Democrats, Priebus, together with Ryan and Scott Walker, became known as part of a rising Republican movement in Wisconsin that was influential at a national level. “A trio of young Wisconsin politicians are now positioned to have a substantial influence on the future direction and success of the Republican party,” the Washington Post wrote in 2011.

      So much for hiring “fresh new talent” outside the political establishment.

      Expect more of the same, with more such appointees.

      The American Establishment Machine is purring along quite nicely.

      1. Yep Frank you are right, we now know since the Corporate media and banks all railed against trump savagely and now fear him coming after them.

        We know he was their enemy and then must be more inline with us.

        1. Wishful thinking. Look at the people who are taking control of the US state along with Trump. The only “outsiders” are corporate lobbyists who are now taking over regulation of the industries they shill for. Trump’s faux-nationalism was classic corporate PR and the fact that people are still falling for it now that the veil is lifted just demonstrates that old chestnut “there are none so blind as those who will not see”:
          http://theantimedia.org/trump-embrace-establishment/

      2. From that, I don’t see how Bannon remotely represents “The Establishment Machine”. Quite the opposite, in fact. Please explain.

        1. From what I know of Bannon and his vileness, he represents the Shocktroop defense of the US Establishment and all that it engenders in terms of white male privilege,

  7. Forget the lame duck session.It is the new Presidency you need to fear.

    Trump will not kill the TPPA. He has been talking about “renegotiation”.

    Look for a way worse deal, signed off on by countries who will do anything for the Chimera of access to the US market. Countries will be bullied within the US hegemony, leaders will be schmoozed or bought as necessary, the TPP will proceed, and we may be thinking back longingly to the deal now to be overtaken.

    The art of the deal.

    1. I would agree on that, as Trump is a businessman, a tycoon of sorts, who runs business along the lines how you play POKER. You bluff, take risks, but wait for the opportunity to deal out to your competitor, and then pull him or her over the table, to sign a contract they can no longer refuse to sign.

      I oppose the TPPA as it was conceived and negotiated, and what is in it, some of it, but Trump is not simply against such trade deals, he wants just a BETTER DEAL for the US, and a worse deal for others, that is what he is about.

      Those welcoming Trump’s win here in NZ, they should have second thoughts about it all.

  8. Below is a Trump quote from an article on Katehon. ‘Did Trump Just Sell Out?’ Worth reading.

    “Everybody’s a lobbyist down there, that’s the problem with the system — the system. Right now, we’re going to clean it up. We’re having restrictions on foreign money coming in, we’re going to put on term limits, which a lot of people aren’t happy about, but we’re putting on term limits. We’re doing a lot of things to clean up the system. But everybody that works for government, they then leave government and they become a lobbyist, essentially. I mean, the whole place is one big lobbyist. I’m saying that they know the system right now, but we’re going to phase that out. You have to phase it out.”

    http://katehon.com/article/did-trump-just-sell-out

    1. “Katehon think tank is an independent organization consisting of an international network of people – from a wide variety of fields and disciplines – who specialize in the geopolitical, geostrategic and political analysis of world events. The group consists of political thinkers, international relations (IR) researchers, experts in security and counter-terrorism, and journalists concerned with international affairs, geopolitics, ethno-politics and inter-religious dialogue.”

      As these “thinkers” consider themselves so important and independent, I may announce, I am a more independent, qualified thinker, who has a shit dim view of the crap yo post here!

      The Illuminate and other conspiracy adherents, go take a hike, you are wasting our time, to address the real challenges and issues of this world.

  9. Jane hi
    So what about an article giving us an inspiring and clear picture of what a socially, culturally and ecologically ‘just’ international trade agreement looks like? Perhaps describe the Purpose, the Principles and some examples of the principles translated into action. How would desired outcomes be driven by this treaty? Tthis would help us understand and talk positively about our options/ opportunities – thanks

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