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  1. I am so tired of every one banging on about neo liberalism, especially when half of them type away with a glass of wine beside them, their degree paid for by the state and pink batts in the ceiling keeping them toasty.
    Where is the 20 billion going to come from unless you throttle the life out of the sector that produces wealth and provides employment.
    There are two problems facing the world
    Over population and excessive consumption.
    Tinkering with the neo liberal systems will not solve those problems

    1. Where do you think the money came from to create the welfare system in the first place? Do you really think enough money to embark on a massive state housing system alongside free health care and benefits was just sitting around waiting to be used?

      A government has the right to create it’s own money – and before anyone asks, no it doesn’t automatically lead to inflation, not if it’s spent on something contructive.

      The first Labour government did a variety of things to create the money needed to transform New Zealand and it was a huge success leading to the expansion of the middleclass and the end of a lot of misery.

      Ruth Richardson did the reverse. She cut welfare payments by a billion dollars in 1992 and it put the economy into a depression.

      An alternative approach is to do what they did with the New Deal in the US and take the money from the super-rich who, just like today, were obscenely wealthy. There is no need to take money from small business people to fund the welfare state but small business people need to understand the flipside that the welfare system is a source of income for them in the economy and attempts to rein in government spending invariably lead to less money in the economy and a more precarious business environment

      1. Actually our government probably doesn’t have the right to create money. If we tried to do do we would be slammed down by the world financial authorities. Also the idea of taking money from the so called super rich doesn’t float at all. On the one hand it is the same concept as selling off state assets you can only do it once then some other usually overseas based entity gets the future profits. Also the super rich don’t actually have a lot of taxable money for you to take

      2. Aaron is right and PeterH is wrong. If a thing has been done successfully in the past, it is pointless to claim that it cannot be done again. The first Labour Government borrowed money interest free from the Reserve Bank and built thousands of houses (thereby meeting Aarons criterion that the spending must be constructive) without the “world financial authorities” raising a peep. I guess they had their own problems at the time.
        And then there is the furphy that it will cause inflation. In 2008 the USA Fed created $trillions to save the banks. It didn’t cause inflation then or since.

  2. “neoliberalism”

    And the alternative is to a third-way free market economy is what, exactly?

    The world has tried socialist systems – Venezuela being the latest example in a long line of perfect failures – they don’t work. They result in more people in poverty, not less.

    The 2019 budget is terrible, mainly because it assumes more revenue than we are likely to achieve, so will result in deficit. New Zealand will have more to spend on welfare when it becomes a lot more productive.

    What is their answer to this problem? They do not have one.

  3. Child poverty is caused by the poor having children they cannot afford they then go on to be poorly educated and angry at the world because there is so much that they miss out on.Over population is one of the causes of the worlds problems so why not pay a benefit to not have children and break the cycle. In turn this could mean that those that truly need and deserve help over a bad patch could be paid a far high benefit . It needs to be remembered that welfare was conceived as a hand up not a hand out.

    1. That’s just wishful thinking. The poor are poor because doing something would be marxist communist socialist nazism. That’s bad am I correct?

      More seriously, the GOP does not view any of this as a problem. That’s the problem.

    2. Years ago in Singapore Trevor, Chinese friends with two children said that certain govt benefits reduced after more than two. They were comfortable with that.

      I guess that difficulties can emerge when church teaching or religious beliefs carry a heavy weight. Or fear.

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