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  1. We made a mess of it like everyone else. For example we would not let people from Iran in initially but Italy was fine. Then we let movie types in under an exemption. Then we chased people with the virus round the country. People in isolation were possibly exposed to new arrivals. Sorry but where’s the excellence exactly?

    Its worth noting too this is nowhere near as bad as the Spanish flu epidemic. Over 200+ million people would have to have died adjusted for today’s global population for this contagion to meet that criteria. Thankfully the majority of people who contract it recover save the elderly and sick. We don’t have the true numbers as a lot of decisions as to what someone died from are guess work. What is clear is the frail and compromised need special care and conditions to keep them safe. That’s where our attention should be.

    1. The reason that this was not as bad as the Spanish flu is that there were no public health measures available in 1918, the virus was carried on repatriation ships for troops and few mitigation factors were available. The excellence is in the fact that, in a world raging with the Covid, NZ has managed to pursue a policy of eliminating the virus in our community, and has strong measures in place to stop its re-emergence (track and trace etc).
      I do not agree with your policy to let it range freely and protect (i.e. confine to their homes) the vulnerable. That means the old, the sick, people with disabilities etc are to be locked up so that healthy can have free run of the world. Good grief! Might as well just shoot them now!

  2. “a ‘swiss cheese’ model of multiple shields ”

    Swiss cheese is full of holes, hardly apt for a description of an adequate shield. Did you mean Swiss (army) knife?

    1. Hi Richard
      No, do look it up. The idea is that Emmental does have holes, but in a range of different places, so each ‘slice’ has holes, but stick a number of slices together and they are all covered up. So every thing we do – hand washing, mask wearing, using the app, social distancing, test and trace, quarantine and so on, adds a further layer of protection. Each layer has flaws in itself (no protection is absolute), but together they are /should be impermeable. I think it is a great analogy and empowers each of us to put our own protections around us, which we now need, given the nature of the pandemic. Look up ‘Wiles emmental’ on a search engine.

  3. If you change a few words here and there Dr. Liz, then you could be describing mankind’s response to climate change. Are humans capable of doing what’s right when money is involved? We have the intelligence, and yet we are so dumb?

  4. I agree our health response was amazeballs. I’m encouraged that given resources our ministry can come up with something functional (I work in acute psych, I know what disfunction looks like).
    We made a helluva good decision early.
    It’s kind of beyond my imagination how countries with it there in such numbers can cope.
    Pretty hard for me to compare our success with their failure.
    Are the other countries offering compensation at our levels for lockdown?
    Seem to recall Boris was offering loans for renters.

  5. Liz, I totally agree with you re the second phase, and the effectiveness of the Swiss cheese model. And until now New Zealand’s containment of the virus has also been successful largely because most people cooperated well in following fairly basic sort of rules. This could change.

    We already had a growing number of people living harsh lives under trickle-down practices, where all that trickles down are the rat droppings in the ceiling.

    Any unexpected event, such as the current civil defence emergency in Napier, can cause mayhem in the lives of people already under pressure. The continuing effects of climate change will inevitably alter the social dynamics which have served us well so far.

    If people voted Labour because government policy helped save them from what we are witnessing happening overseas, this may suggest that most people’s main interest is self-preservation, i.e., that most people are selfish. I like to think that this is not true of NZ Maori, whose philosophical community focus I have long envied, but it may be true of others. A further virus outbreak, is possibly inevitable. It can’t be assumed that an effective virus will be readily available with a mutating virus, and therefore we do have to learn to live with it.

    The physical realities of doing so, combined with the increasing number of people trying to cope with financial stressors, plus the likelihood of unpredictable weather events, means that social cohesion can no longer be assumed. It is the people at the bottom who may be impacted upon the most, especially the women and children. This is a fairly compelling reason for govt to act pronto as requested by the NGO’s, simply in the interest of maintaining social stability, if nothing else. At this point I move onto the same page as GreenBus.

  6. And seventy three days left of this delusional narcissist being left to control complete ! I!m not a loser! JUST TO PROVE, I have just Terminated the Minister off Defence of our Nation, and appointed one who will do as I deem, what has to be done about this fraud election. And still the proper elected President has to wait 73 days of possible if not probable Americans contacting Covid at the rate of at least ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND,PER DAY,as this sacked delusional narcissist sacked president refuses the truth, of losing.

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