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  1. Liz, the discrediting of the necktie by associating it with English boarding schools is pushing it a bit – even if clobbering anything perceived as English is now a way to butter up people. I’ve always thought of the tie as quintessentially French, but gather that the Parisian tie was actually a little later on the scene than it’s appearance elsewhere on the continent.

    It had various practical purposes, including ties designed to help soldiers hold their heads up – nothing wrong with a head-held-up man; ties/cravats to gather perspiration – not everyone likes a sweaty man, especially in the workplace; it evolved into something decorative, with variations to enable people like Peter Dunne to show how they differ from other men, and to stop pathologists’ decoration from being tipped in deceased blood.
    Donald Trump apparently wears extra long ties, perhaps to suggest you-know-what.

    Some ties are earned eg New Zealand Alpine Club ties, where membership of that club requires a specific track record. I was with colleagues in London wearing their NZAC ties when a supercilious female from the Royal Marsden Hospital, queried the origin of the men’s ties, then exclaimed, “ How could a country like New Zealand possibly have alps?” Ignorant Pom.

    Nowadays men wear the things not just as identifiers, but for decorative purposes. Given the number of badly behaved men all over the place, I say make all the buggers wear them, and maybe microchip them as well.
    And let them keep their wee opportunity to be decorative, or worse could occur.

    A manager from the MSD’s Specialist Services Dept in Wellington told me that their male tie requirement
    was part of getting men to dress reasonably when coming to work: some used to turn up in t shirts and jandals. Jandals in enclosed spaces can be a bit rough with smelly feet factored in, but I daresay socks with sandals would suit the Greens. Casual Friday in some Government Depts can descend into some waddling around the workplace barefooted, and not everyone likes the look of other people’s feet.Especially big naked male feet.

    Let them take off their ties, and anything could be unleashed. Segueing tielessness into leading to a reform of
    Parliamentary practices or behaviour may be unrealistic. Parliamentary proceedings being televised has forced some to up their game, and to be more devious in concealing their smart phone distractions, and whatever else they do with their heads bent down like humble monks.

    Good old James, coming up with a trivial diversion when there are massively important issues impacting on
    people, all sorts of people under pressure, today, and every day for the foreseeable future. Shame if it’s now becoming yet another race issue, we really do not need that either.

    1. Well maybe Parliament can rush a Bill through under urgency applicable just to James, and stop him wasting time. Ties are in fact, very important to some males. My bro could spend fifteen minutes selecting one in the morning. Sort of. When my husband played up, I took a tie from his wardrobe and chopped the end off. In time this evolved into taking the whole tie, and popping it in the litter bin outside the corner dairy. I was never a violent person, so to speak.

      The Crown Prince of Denmark does look good without a tie; those Mediterranean males substituting a gold chain, not quite so good; freedom of the neck for Parliamentary males could disturb the equilibrium, and without a tie to chop, mean girls could go straight for the jugular – and dads get nothing but socks for Christmas forevermore. But it’s up to them. And James. Trev.

  2. Absolutely. Start from scratch.

    In the meantime, make this simple change. Seat MPs randomly in the house (a new allocation every three months) not in these silly blocs. That simple move would start to break down the adversarial ethos of the place and cost almost nothing to implement.

  3. My dad was a hat wearer and he he always removed his hat when he entered a building.
    I do not think that it is respectful to be wearing a hat in Parliament.
    i also think that past or present respect is important and the Maori Party interlude was a testosterone motivated performance to gain attention.
    The real work of Parliament starts with respect and the Government has much diversity which is a good start.

    1. Hey Dotti – My dad was a hat wearer too, essential head gear biking to work under the freezing shadows of the Alps. And yes, they were nice little symbols of respect too – real men would doff them as a courtesy to women – Mr McGlinchy fell off his bicycle in the process of doffing his hat to my grandmother. I’d like to know where they put them when entering churches – and I have yet to have a bloke take off his beanie to me. This could be something up James’s alley when he gets the issue of the ties sorted.

      They (hats) were also handy for concealing bald heads, but nowadays the shaved gleaming pate seems to be some sort of symbol of masculinity – as is shaving chests and legs, for those who have the time to do so.

    2. “ Performance to gain attention ? “ That ‘s ok. It worked – it’s not like they threw Molotov cocktails or used
      rude words.

      James’s removal of the tie was likely an attention seeker too – any publicity is welcome to a pollie. Mabel Howard brandished ladies’ bloomers in Parliament to show how discrepancies in sizing impacted upon women – the effect of that may be better left unsaid – poor chappies – but she had a point – and that was prior to buying online from China and discovering what misfits western femmes may be. There could be more to James’s tie aversion than meets the eye – there often is with married men – but I wouldn’t dwell on it on a lovely summer’s day…

  4. Ties will fade away of their own accord.

    There are fewer and fewer New Zealand men capable of tying one.

    I suspect that lace-up shoes will be next on the list.

  5. Te Maori Parti, had its first run at asking a question today in the house, only to be interrupted by the speaker, if its a question,make it a question, if its a point of order, not start with the Maori Party.
    Surprised myself, to hear that the Maori Party, have given their right of supplementary questions to the A.C.T. Party weird.

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