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  1. Great stuff thanks Liz.

    Clark should butt out this is really unhelpful.

    The minute the borders are open – and lets face it it depends who you are whether they will open for you – and the virus gets back into the community, there will be an uproar ‘they shouldn’t have opened up’ frankly I am much more interested in saving people’s lives.

  2. I agree 100% with you Liz as this is a opinion piece only from Gluckman entirely.

    he has always seen singing John Key’s song to open up the country to foreign interests so no surprise there.

    If Gluckman had done his job right he should have warned the Government far earlier the pandemic was coming in December 2019 when it was first reported to the WHO but he failed then.

    Then in March 17th WHO warned Gluckman and all counties to “Test test Test” otherwise WHO said “we would be flying blind” and we were.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-healthcare-coronavirus-who-idUSKBN2132S4
    LAUSANNE/ZURICH (Reuters) –

    quote;
    The World Health Organization called on all countries on Monday to ramp up their testing programs as the best way to slow the advance of the coronavirus pandemic, and also urged companies to boost production of vital equipment to overcome acute shortages.
    “We have a simple message to all countries – test, test, test,” WHO Director General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus told a news conference in Geneva, calling the pandemic “the defining global health crisis of our time”.
    WHO calls for “change of mindset” to overcome pandemic shortages
    “All countries should be able to test all suspected cases, they cannot fight this pandemic blindfolded.”
    Without testing, cases cannot be isolated and the chain of infection will not be broken, he said.
    unquote;

    Dr Gluckman was proven to be of no use then so I don’t respect his “advice now”

  3. Dr Gordon-I’m glad you published this. I was not comfortable with this trio but wasn’t sure why.
    With due respect Clark, Fyfe and Gluckman are yesterdays gurus. Their opinions are no more , actually less relevant than Adern, Roberston, Gerrard and Bloomfield who are today’s leaders.

    1. On the other hand if as Dr Gordon says ‘The basic thesis is that closing down our borders is much easier than opening them up again. But open them up we must, at some stage,’ then there’s nothing new in that and nothing to condemn and nothing to praise. In other words we all know that already.

  4. When you put together three business-as-usual liars who have no credentials to determine anything you must expect more lies and fantasies.

    Sadly, there are still people in NZ who think these three snouts-in-the-trough have something worthwhile to say, when a tiny bit of research demonstrates they don’t. Kind of the dumb leading the even dumber.

  5. A few not so idle thoughts:
    1. Does Mr. Gluckman have his nose out of joint because his successor is developing an effective effective model based on sound and inclusive scientific principles rather than adopting his omnipotent style?
    2. Has Mr. Fyfe realised that his currency has gone since he proved ineffective in the Covid-19 liaison role he had.
    3. Is Ms. Clark a bit miffed because her assumed young pupil has proved capable of delivering more than she could?

  6. After seeing what happened in Victoria we almost need armed soldiers to patrol some of the returnees, this is sad but some people just don’t seem to care. Its a real pity we have to let them back in our team of five million (bubble) as these types of people have the potential to make it( our bubble ) burst.

  7. Premises, suburbs, cities and countries are being locked down because of increasing positive Covid results. They are increasing because more testing is being done. Added to this is that the testing is not accurate nor meaningful; you cannot accurately compare everyone’s genetic code quantitatively with markers, and you certainly can’t do it with an unnamed blackbox testing kit in the field. This virus affects every individual differently and it is also mutating, so sequencing the virus and mapping the population is like trying to solve a million sided Rubik cube while all the sides are constantly changing colour. It is the death count that matters (which is not applicable to two thirds of the world who are mostly asymptomatic) and these statistics are being manipulated by some countries for political purposes. We need to see how the death rates have increased above historical levels for all causes, we need to see how the science is being conducted and reported, and we need to see this virus in perspective as another risk, otherwise society will cease to function.

  8. Old leaders are just that, old. If we want new ideas, we need young leaders with new ideas.

  9. Liz, you are right that Gluckman et al. is not a research article. However, we need to address the question of how to live in a world where the virus is rampant. IMO, admittedly not research-based, we are very likely at some stage to get at least one, and probably more than one, new instance of community transmission in New Zealand, and so rather than congratulate ourselves and go back to normal, we need to alter our behaviour. This was the helpful message I saw in Gluckman et al.; we need to become very serious about contact tracing. So far, amid the euphoria of virus squashing, we have let our guard down and we need to collectively raise it again rather than simply admonish the government for inevitable leakage at our border. Anyone with any experience in biosecurity should be able to tell you that this is true, research or no research.

  10. the question must be why (oh why?) did Clark put her name to this twaddle?

  11. The idea that National , Hosking, Garner etc, want an Australiasian bubble immediately has now shown to be negligent at best and criminal at worst. 191 new cases today in Victoria alone.
    I,d say Ardern deserves a Queens honour.

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