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  1. Well said, Dave.

    No fence at the top of the cliff and a very slow, overloaded ambulance at the bottom of the cliff. Hence, New Zealand’s appallingly high suicide rate.

  2. I don’t agree with your proposition at all.

    Police became the pseudo cheap alternative under the National Government to dealing with mentally disturbed people because it meant not spending on mental health services. That meant tax cuts and Bill English balancing his books.

    Leaving poor bloody cops to try and deal with mentally disturbed people, often putting them through the criminal courts because there was such a void in mental health is NOT right and NOT the way to deal with it.

    Were I subscriber to the National Partys way of thinking, of course I would see the pure cost-benefit analysis of having exceedingly amateur psych nurses wearing blue uniforms. That is the real reason the Nats thought that such a good idea, it was their way of plastering over the ever-growing cracks whilst at the same time not caring less what happened to such inflicted persons.

    And when it goes wrong the police take the hit from the anti-squad even though they cannot ever hope to deal with such situations properly.

    To deal with and understand mental unwellness is a whole other training and vocation. Cops doing mental health first aid is all good and well if you want an exceedingly half arsed system but to me, it would only encourage the rot that had already set in.

    By the time police end up dealing with mentally disturbed persons, the system has failed. It should never get that far.

    So do we want to encourage this failure any further???

    Under this guise perhaps we should train police on obstrectrics and anethesia as well? Just imagine the savings from not employing specialists!

    1. Short -sighted thinking; and wrong thinking to suggest that so-called mental health professionals are the only ones that can and should deal with mental health issues – next you will be saying whanau/family, or friend’s, or flat mates, shouldn’t involve themselves in helping someone with a mental health issue – leave it to the professionals, eh? That’s one if the major problems with the current MH system, and you would be exceedingly foolish to ignore the role that the cops inevitably have to take as first responders in emergencies – so let’s ensure they are well-enough trained to handle these situations; because you sure as hell will be waiting for a long time for enough MH professionals to be able to handle the first response alone!

      1. If the Police have some understanding of mental illness it will go along way in assisting those who are having an episode. They don’t have to be trained as psych nurses or doctor. Understanding the stages and the types of mental illness and what the best action is to take. Some sufferers don’t take their medication and need reminding, some are past the stage of reason and are heightened and need to be admitted to hospital rather than to jail and locked up. Whatever the case Police need to be informed and resourced.

  3. They (the police) still need training cause often they have to pick people up. My whanau had to call the Police and report our sister missing she had stopped taking her meds and we were worried about her safety so in my view having utilised the NZ Police to find our sister and to admit her under the mental health act we would not have been able to do this without the help of the police. So I think Minister Nash is making a big mistake the more training our police have in this area the better.

  4. Everyone should have basic mental health training. Cops, teachers, you, me, all of us.

    Of COURSE noone should be expected to fulfill the work of qualified experts but just like we should all know how basic CPR we can also be trained in basic checkpoints with mental health related encounters. Particularly info re. how and where to refer them to said qualified experts.

  5. Thank you, Dave. Food for thought and I hope the minister’s office takes note of your comments. I’ve never been able to work out why The coalition govt dropped National’s plan. It seems to have been one of those rare moments when the Nats actually implemented something positive.

    So why was it dropped?

  6. Mental Health is poorly understood and was decimated in this country under the Labour/National Neoliberal Doctrine.

    We need to rebuild our Mental Health Service here in NZ, most criminals have mental health problems IMHO otherwise they would not be under the control of the Justice Department ?

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