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  1. may be those videos need to be post in new zealands primary export markets
    for educational purposes.

  2. Since the original video tape by Farmwatch, I have stopped consuming milk and will persist with soymilk.

    If consumer boycotts are all that the dairy industry understand, then so be it.

    1. goodonya frank…for yr dairy boycott..(pams blue pack is the best for tea/coffee..so good vanilla rocks most breakfasts..)

      but are ya gonna stop eating animals anytime soon..?..

      1. Phillip, yup, I’ve found the Pam’s stuff reasonably good. Hard to recall now if it’s any different to milk. (I just wish it came in a recyclable container. I must contact Pams on this point.)

        I’ve even started remembering to request a soy-flat-white when at a cafe or restaurant.

        Pretty much stopped eating cheese. (Soy cheese?)

        As for “gonna stop eating animals anytime soon”… working on it, Phillip, working on it…

    2. Nice thought, Frank, but you realise that virtually any soy product is made with GM products.

      1. Dennis, do you have further information on that?

        And even if so, my preference is to consume soy milk, irrespective of possible GM content, rather than be a benefactor of unnecessary maltreatment of animals. I have chosen to consume a milk-type product, whereas calve have no choice being born into an industry that does seem to understand humane treatment of animals.

        1. There is Soy milk available with makers stating ” No GM”.

          Some are also gluten free and with low sugar.

          Just a bit of homework needed such as ringing the number on the container and asking. That way they get some feedback as to what the public want.

          Some advertise as per this example ( not that i use Sanitarium for other reasons )

          https://www.sanitarium.co.nz/products/so-good/soy-milks

          Most of the golbal GM soy is fed to animals or used for bio-fuel but some food manufacturers do not discriminate and take the cheapest supply available.

          As a consumer you have to let them know that you won’t buy it nor there brand.

          There are a lot of myths about Soy, many of them promoted by beef sector funded agencies like the Weston Price Foundation with big money and PR companies helping drive consumption towards beef. Soy scares them but not because of health consequences.

          There is plenty of good information available about Soy.

          http://freefromharm.org/health-nutrition/vegan-doctor-addresses-soy-myths-and-misinformation/

  3. “There are two million unwanted dairy calves sent to the meat works each year. And an unknown quantity that don’t make it that far. For the 12,000 farms in New Zealand there are only 17 dedicated welfare officers and 31 compliance officers. That’s about 100,000 calves per inspector. ”

    I wonder how supermarkets would react when people stage a protest outside their doors, raising awareness of all this mistreatment and the mass slaughter of unwanted calves, all for the sake of having a secure, continued milk supply for consumers.

    I bet they will get the police come to attend, and have trespass notices issued to all the protestors.

    Dairy is big business, so the government, the industry and others involved, they will all dismiss concerns and continue their denials, as the dollar bill comes first, animal welfare comes after that.

    We have the same with other things, like the fishing industry and its discarded by-catch, with endangered species being harmed or killed, we have it with mono-culture in forestry, which is not environmentally friendly, we have it even with the mass tourism now, where the significant extra emissions of airplanes and rented cars are never talked about.

    GROWTH is all that counts, economic growth, output, profit and KPIs in general. People are as workers also expected to function like robots who never get sick or injured, and if they do, they are not even given much time to recover, as our new welfare policy ideologues tell us that work is “therapeutic”, so people should not end up “workless”.

    What progress have we got? As most modern day consumers live in larger and medium size cities, they never experience much what industrialised farming looks like, many do not even know what bobby calves are.

  4. One small point. All calves are separated from their mothers within 12to 24 hrs to actually stop too much bonding between mother and offspring. Whilst it may look cruel you should see the mayhem if they are left together for weeks and then separated. Believe me it is both carnage and heart breaking to witness.
    The life of a dairy cow is not all beer and skittles – it is probably preferable to be sent to the works at 4 days old than to be a milk ‘machine’.

  5. Yep stopping dairy consumption will also be a chance to improve your health.

    Milk does not “build healthy bones” but actually depletes your calcium supply.

    The countries with the highest milk consumption have the highest rate of osteoporosis.

    Mild the dairy bullshit they feed out to the public.

    Your best calcium supply is from a variety of green vegetables as is your iron.

    Where do cows get their from, not by eating meat.

  6. pretty mush a stony silence from the animal-eaters..eh..?

    understandable..eh..?

    as each day goes by it does get harder to justify..if you pretend at all to care about planet etc..eh..?

    ‘cos really..all of this misery/polluting is being done in yr names..eh..?

    ..just so you can chew on animal flesh..(as you hold impassioned discussions fretting about climate change etc…eh..?

    i’ve said it before – bullshit-on-a-reckin’-stick

    how can it not be..?

    you can’t fucken avoid that glaring fact..can you..?

    1. Humans have short digestive tracts compared to closely-related ape species and have poor (non-renewing) teeth compared to all hebivorous species because humans have evolved to eat meat. Indeed, most of the features -upright posture, ability to run long distances and throw accurately, ability to sweat etc.- that distinguish Homo sapiens from closely related species are adaptations for chasing, killing and eating animals.

      http://www.beyondveg.com/billings-t/comp-anat/comp-anat-6c.shtml

      The decline in human health that commenced with the adoption of agriculture has been well documented. That decline is accelerating now that low-nutrient industrially-produced food has been normalized.

      The crux of the problem is that humans got far too good at killing animals and eradicated or nearly eradicated most of the large predators -big cats, wolves, bears etc. that had previously kept the ‘greedy ape’ numbers down. And modern humans also figured out how to capture animals (and people) and put them to use via nooses, leases, yokes, fences, cages, treadmills etc. This entire ‘civilisation’ is dependent on abuse of animals and people, which is why abuse will continue.

      Chop down forests and jungles to make way for the growing of yet more soy beans and other industrially-grown crops, eliminate the habitat of dozens (some say hundreds) of species per day, and then take the moral high ground on animal rights??????

      We are in a progress trap from which there is no escape. Nor is there any political will to prepare for the inevitable collapse of present arrangements, which looks set to commence around 2020.

      Ignorance (or denial) is bliss for the moment.

      1. China implemented a one child policy in the late 1970 and that still stands today with minor modification in exceptional cases.

        Her population will peak and fall away.

        Every country should have followed suit but Western countries are irresponsible and allow speculation and profit taking to dominate policy. Forever seeking growth to line the pockets of a few.

        Humans have a very long digestive tract compared with meat eating species. It pays to carefully check sources of information the diet of primitive man as commercial interests dominate some organisations spreading many myths .

        Science is cautious and slow to lay claims without a wealth of data and analysis. peer reviewed papers backed by rigorous testing of conclusions.

        The largest health / food/ diet and lifestyle study ever undertaken over many decades involving data from close to a billion people, followed up and tested over another 25 years of rigorous data collection by several universities across a number oc countries. is worth reading about.

        The China Study – Colin T Campbell.

  7. nah, I don’t care what excuses anyone says, this cruelty is wrong on so many levels. It’s heinous and disgusting. NZ farmers and the dairy industry make me feel ashamed. They don’t have to be cruel to make a profit. This is a disgrace.

  8. We all know times are tough for many dairy farmers. Huge profits and a fine living can be made from agriculture. I’m with Warren Buffet in believing agriculture is a very wise investment.

    Too many cows say the Greens, too much abuse of bobby calves say welfare groups. Well, they could be right. I imagine many farmers feel with the sweat of their brow, they’ve carried the NZ economy many times. Now they lament how they’re seen as pests, abusive and environmentally dangerous.

    Things are going to have to change within dairy farming and agriculture in general. I’m not in the farming click but even looking from the outside in, change is clearly coming. Change can happen suddenly, I believe farming subsidies were suddenly cut by Labour in 1984.

    The abuse of bobby calves and even the sickness in animals is related to the evil/love in a farmers heart. When times are tough, compassion and good judgement can go by the wayside. It sounds like these calves are being treated as inconveniences and very harshly so. As NZ society brakes down even more, the disease and abuse of animals will increase.

    Perhaps farmers should do something new under the sun. Grow some GE free soybeans for Frank, plant an orchard, some pine trees, figs, hemp – diversify and specialize in a couple of things. I don’t want to see people out of business, but if you can not respect the land u should not be in business?

    Easy for me to say, though many farmers are sing my tune.

    1. Lot of excuses there amongst the platitudes, the Farmers are heavily subsidized, and are the first to put their hands out, so what’s 30+ years ago got to do with present day?

    2. Lot of excuses there amongst the platitudes, the Farmers are heavily subsidized, and are the first to put their hands out, so what’s 30+ years ago got to do with present day?.

      1. We pay very dearly for the dairy industry. It will cost billions if we set to rectify the pollution and damage to wild life and environment caused by animal husbandry in NZ.

        Many fresh water species lost to significant area as well as marine species affected by polluted nursery areas.

        Ground water polluted and water supply threatened in many areas.

        Banks demand intensified management, fertiliser kills the soil and as does the Mansanto / Wrightsons biocides which we consume in food and water in many areas.

  9. Excellent work from Farmwatch again – raising awareness about the real price of milk.
    There is no humane way to separate calves from their mothers and send them to slaughter. We have a grossly misplaced sense of control and domination over these sentient beings.

  10. ”And for many, such practices are what drive the vegan agenda, not the other way round” Very well put.

  11. Does this also happen on ‘organic’ farms? Or are there practical alternatives to the cruelties of industrial dairy, poultry, pig and fish farming?

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