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  1. Good article Chris, you are of course talking about the wealthy boomers. They always vote, mainly National and the wretched poor people don’t, because they don’t know whats good for them, or how the system works, and they really don’t care because all politicians are the same. Except there not. How long will the boomers have this advantage? This is the last time according to all the experts. The next election after this, they won’t have the power to get there conservative ways. What will happen then?

  2. That is the realpolitik per this last poll and yours is a fair analysis IMO.
    Where that leaves the promises of nuclear free moments transformation and ends of capitalism is pretty plain to see.
    Interesting to ponder if/how the numbers change as the toll becomes evident and how long that takes.
    Greens are in danger in this poll.

  3. Amusing and mostly accurate, Chris.

    However, ‘Grant Robertson’s Budget is offering what most New Zealanders are hoping for – economic recovery’.

    I put it to you that what Grant Robertson is offering is not economic recovery but the false hope of an economic recovery, based on fraudulent creation of ‘funny money’ which will require debt servicing, and the pouring of a large portion of that central-bank-created money into infrastructure that will have no utility in the very near future.

    What Grant Robertson is offering is more of a dysfunctional system that assigns positive values to negative outcomes (Gross Domestic Product), plus further dependence on fossil fuels that are undergoing an extraction crisis never previously encountered in human history.

    What Grant Robertson is offering is the false hope of the global economic system remaining intact in the face of unstoppable forces that are in the process of demolishing it, in particular the self-reinforcing [negative] feedbacks that are occurring throughout most of the world.

    Whilst historically low interest rates and propping up equity markets via ‘money-printing’ provide the façade of success, all the underlying factors that keep the global Ponzi system staggering on are deteriorating at an ever-faster rate.

    The economic model that Grant Robertson stubbornly adheres to -of infinite growth on a finite planet- has been storing up all the ‘gunpowder’ necessary to demolish the system, and western industrial societies have finally hit the wall, much as expected and publicly predicted.

    Gail Tverberg does not focus on the Planetary Overheating that is increasingly pummeling the globalised economic system but she does a good job of highlighting the increasing failure of the resources and energy sectors to provide the necessary ‘ingredients’ to allow BAU to continue. Indeed, in her latest article she highlights what people were saying when I was studying the nature of matter, spectroscopy, industrial technology and economics etc. at university in the early 1970s that there ARE limits to growth and the system will implode as a consequence of overconsumption of resources.

    In particular, Gail Tverberg highlights what any mathematician, physical scientist, biologist, ecologist, oceanographer etc. will tell you: that there are too many people using too much stuff and generating too much pollution. And that the dire consequences of the overconsumption of resources, the overuse of fossil fuels and the overproduction of goods and pollutants have already reached crisis point. And further attempts to maintain BAU are not just counter-productive but will triggered faster collapse.

    Whilst no one in the 1970s foresaw the vast population explosion and the widespread destruction and degradation of nature (they believed a change in culture was underway, only to have the limits to growth agenda sabotaged by the ‘there are no limits brigade’ of bankers, industrialists and economists) many of the projections of Donella Meadows et al have proven uncannily correct

    ‘The world’s number one problem today is that the world’s population is too large for its resource base. Some people have called this situation overshoot. The world economy is ripe for a major change, such as the current pandemic, to bring the situation into balance. The change doesn’t necessarily come from the coronavirus itself. Instead, it is likely to come from a whole chain reaction that has been started by the coronavirus and the response of governments around the world to the coronavirus.

    Let me explain more about what is happening.

    [1] The world economy is reaching Limits to Growth, as described in the book with a similar title…..’

    https://ourfiniteworld.com/2020/05/13/understanding-our-pandemic-economy-predicament/

    Se you all at the bottom of the cliff.

  4. I’ve thought about this a lot and concluded that people like Helen Clark were pretty much right. New Zealanders by their nature are largely politically apathetic and don’t take much interest in what happens in parliament, they like stability and don’t want radical policy shifts.

    I think if Labour romps home with even 50% of votes cast and gets their coalition with the Greens, we will start seeing this transformational government we’ve been asking for. That way, there will actually be a mandate for change without Winston holding their feet to the fire. Grant Robertson showed one political side we hadn’t seen before when delivering the budget, one where Labour closely associated itself with the tradition of Savage and Fraser. Chris had it right, Labour did come home.

    When Savage came to power it took three years for the Social Security Act to be implemented and the same number for our public health system. They constantly reformed and altered over the course of fourteen years. Rome wasn’t built in a day.

  5. Kia ora Chris
    You are right. John Minto, Susan St John and Mike Treen are dreaming if they think that a Labour government will save the poor from the plight to which previous Labour and National governments have condemned them.
    But I am left puzzling over why you and Martyn would want to join the throngs of former National Party voters who have now thrown their support behind Labour.
    Why not leave them to it?
    Looking at the bigger picture, do you really believe that your system of government can survive when more than twenty per cent of the population are non-participating non-demanding non-voters?
    You suggest this is a problem for John, Susan and Mike to address. Well, it is a problem for the system as a whole, which includes people such as yourself, Jacinda and Grant as well as John, Susan and Mike.
    It is not actually a problem for “undemanding non-voters” such as myself. We are managing well. At the same time we are aware that the system which you support, far from being a potential source of salvation, is a constantly lurking threat to our freedom and well-being.
    You understand better than John, Susan and Mike how the system works, while they better understand what it needs to do to ensure its survival over the longer term. So the left as a whole comprises on the one hand those who have a good grasp of the means, and no proper sense of the ends, and on the other those who know where the state should be heading but have no earthly idea of how to get there.

  6. “Because the additional 10-15 percent of popular support Labour appears to have attracted over the past two months can only have come from former National supporters ”

    Not True, Labours rise in the polls has come from

    non voters voting for them,

    Chinese residents in NZ who vote National but are unable to get into the country now due to the borders being closed (polls showed Chinese 74% support National https://yournz.org/2017/09/11/chinese-voter-poll-shows-similar-trends/, remember in our fucked up country you don’t need to be a citizen and only ‘reside’ here for 1 year to vote and influence NZ elections in your favour).

    Green supporters turned Labour because without any Green policy in Greens you might as well vote Labour as their policy is pretty much the same now.

    NZ First supporters who lost support for the same reasons as the Greens, aka their policy for NZ First which for years was anti immigration, was revealed to be taking donations by industry lobby groups. AKA organisations close to NZ First was taking money from developers for more foreigners to buy up NZ property and seemingly supporting more low paid migrant labour for NZ fishing interests, farmers and construction industry ….

    Since all might change closer to Election Day, not sure that Labour should be celebrating quite yet… and lots of work for Greens and NZ First to try to win back their former voters….

    1. Bang on.
      As much as I respect Chris Trotter he’s long been a great advocate for changing nothing.

      1. No it’s that people like Chris Trotter and when I say people like Chris Trotter I really mean me, I don’t want to argue about the different meanings of words.

        In the last 12 months the NZX fell by about 30% and some of us was waiting for that reality to finally dawn on everyone and it did thanks to the Wuhan virus only the recovery has become more of a public health issue when the underlying pressures that we don’t really talk about are still baked into the recovery.

        So The Reserve Bank has been quietly shifting all those risky assets onto their books and until we get the big structural changes to wages done correctly, employment, job satisfaction, trade, infrastructure and so on and so on unless we deal to these underlying structural issues every time we go and do social policy it will blow up in our faces because we haven’t had the intellectual capacity or mathematical honesty to confront the underlying issues.

  7. Kia ora Chris Trotter. Nice reading, as often…

    Could it be that your analysis accommodates a similar pattern of disorientation over an actual revolutionary situation as done through your January 2020 theme “Revolution in New Zealand. Not Even Close”?

    Chances are very high that you are badly misreading the irregular dynamics of climate change and the irreversible destruction of existing ecological balances… you may also see Covid19 as a small part of these.

    The upcoming socioeconomic consequences of terrestrial re-configuration will be most fatal for many, many among the urbanized middle classes, naturally even more for those countrymen and women simply fighting and working for daily survival, already now.

    There is nothing to ‘concede’ on such a facts-based forecast.

    It is simply a matter of rational analysis. This is the genuine strength of the Left, not the sort of ‘faith healing’ offered through Labour party apologetics.

    The 2020 budget does by no means indicate that the magnitude of unfolding events is really understood by the governing administration, with all due respect for the works of the Prime Minister and the Minister of Finance.

    End of the anthropocene. As we know it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WpaLt_Blr4
    … time to move the chariot out of Bowalley Road, probably…
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4woWT3CkO4
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXpJTFX8gTg

  8. If one pays attention to some overseas news outlets as most of us here do , one can’t avoid noticing however one might be irritated by the fact, that Jacinda Ardern is the most popular politician on earth.
    It does seem strange because she just comes over as a very pleasant intelligent caring young woman just like hundreds of other such creatures that we all know personally. Maybe that’s a part of the appeal . I bet she herself is pretty astonished at what has happened to her; but whatever it is, the likelihood of anyone else winning an election in New Zealand in the foreseeable future seems vanishingly small.
    D J S

  9. Reiterating what you wrote, Chris.

    ‘Grant Robertson’s Budget is offering what most New Zealanders are hoping for – economic recovery. More importantly, it’s offering what the New Zealanders who actually vote are demanding.’

    In addition to the point I made previously about the declining resource base brining us very close to, or actually at the point of Limits to Growth (as detailed in the ‘ourfiniteworld’ link) I would like to highlight the Planetary Overheating aspect I alluded to.

    Anyone who has examined the evidence knows the Earth is being rapidly overheated via the trapping of incoming solar radiation through the action of greenhouse gases -particularly CO2, CH4 and N2O- and that there is a positive feedback loop between the action of those primary agents of overheating and water vapour -a secondary agent of overheating- whereby the hotter the oceans and atmosphere become, the more water vapour the atmosphere can carry. Whilst water vapour can never be a primary agent of overheating (since it condenses at the dew point) it can add to the overall temperature in a carbon-dioxide-overheated world.

    Why the long preamble? Because the science is irrefutable but there is a significant cohort in society that refused to accept the irrefutable science.

    Now to the main point:

    ‘Lockdowns trigger dramatic fall in global carbon emissions’

    ‘Carbon dioxide emissions have fallen dramatically since lockdowns were imposed around the world due to the coronavirus crisis, research has shown.
    Daily emissions of the greenhouse gas plunged 17% by early April compared with 2019 levels, according to the first definitive study of global carbon output this year.’

    “This is a really big fall, but at the same time, 83% of global emissions are left, which shows how difficult it is to reduce emissions with changes in behaviour,” said Corinne Le Quéré, a professor of climate change at the University of East Anglia, and lead author of the study published in the journal Nature Climate Change.’

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/may/19/lockdowns-trigger-dramatic-fall-global-carbon-emissions

    Sadly, ‘it’s offering what the New Zealanders who actually vote are demanding’ applies because what New Zealanders who actually vote are demanding is as much of a return to pre-lockdown conditions as possible, thereby returning the rate of rendering the Earth uninhabitable for humans back towards what it was pre-pandemic.

    Yesterday John Campbell was almost leaping out of his chair with enthusiasm when the Chief Economist at the Reserve Bank of NZ (Yuong Ha) explained how the bank could create money out of thin air at the stroke of a key to stimulate economic activity. “And could destroy money ‘at the stoke of a key”

    https://www.rbnz.govt.nz/about-us/senior-management/yuong-ha

    Oh dear, the level of ignorance and stupidity of industrial humans in consumer societies is depressing.

    Of course Einstein said it first: “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe.”

  10. Meh. Democracy is a waste of time. It’s well established that turkeys love voting for Christmas and politics is just sport for middle class people who don’t like sport.

  11. Good article again , Chris,… it seems the word we need is ‘expediency’. Political expediency , balanced with a majority need. Which seems rather cold to those many needy who are left out. I for one who ‘lives on the bones of my arse’. But I recognize the importance of supporting this COL because…

    One only has to remember the long nine years of the National party’s odious John Key led govt.

    Are our memories that short?

    This Labour led COL is far from perfect, they have backtracked and failed in so many critical areas. But they have only been in power a mere three years instead of the almost decade long destructiveness of the former National party. And unless people want a bloody, senseless revolution, is why I kept saying ‘patience required’ in some of your former articles.

    And again I say ‘patience required’.

    ‘Chin up’ , ‘dont let the bastards grind you down’, – all the cliches.

    And that’s me from the social justice warrior stance. Truth is, I want old time pre 1984 economics and values too. I want old time NZ before the rapaciousness of neo liberalism. But its been here and been reinforced and entrenched now for 35 years , – going on 36 years now.

    That is not something that will be torn down overnight – or even after 6 years ( second term )of the Labour led COL no matter how much we want to see it. And the truth is , – that the only thing that will relinquish that setting is a worldwide , global economic meltdown. Similar to the Great Depression of 1939.

    How many of us truly want to see and undergo that?

    I am a hippy, a gypsy, a Westy heavy mettaler ,a complete nobody – and an economic refugee from the global credit crunch of 2008 myself… but even I can see the wisdom of persevering with this COL. Because at the moment, this political setting is the best we can ever hope to work with.

    The alternative of a National / ACT led govt would be unthinkable.

    Woody Guthrie – Gypsy Davy
    https://youtu.be/usMlxcJSWRY?t=7

    Bob Dylan – Ballad of Hollis Brown
    https://youtu.be/_8xkxy3tXTA?t=91

    Both these artists sang of the Great Depression, the Dust Bowl era and the plight of the poor, the working class, the unemployed. It was not until the economic theory’s of John Maynard Keynes was converted into the policy’s of FDR’s ( Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s ) New Deal that any relief was in sight.

    But things had to get desperately bad before that happened.

    Stop grumbling, because the political alternative would be a disaster, and if things get exceedingly bad, only then will we see a govt prepared to go to extreme measures.

    How many of you are prepared to undergo what previous generations endured to see change?

    I wonder.

    I’ll leave you with this other awesome rendition of The Ballad Of Hollis Brown.

    Just as a reminder.

    Nina Simone – The Ballad Of Hollis Brown
    https://youtu.be/tkqffRA4cZg?t=154

    1. Indeed, those who vote are yet again confronted with having to choose the of the lesser of two evils -for it is clear that the Adern government will not do what is required to ‘save society’ but a National government would ensure society collapses ultra-fast, with the looters-and-polluters club laughing all the way to the bank

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