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  1. 1/ I am shocked that we are still in the dark as to the wording agreed to after being promised we would have a “transperant” Government?????

    2/ To know this document was authored by a bunch of corporates and their lawyers, makes me very un-easy.

    “Is the CPTPP perfect, John? Of course, it isn’t. But, it is a substantially different document from the TPP-11, and the original TPPA. Rather than see the as-yet-unsigned agreement as a reason to get out and protest on the streets,”

  2. It did not occur to me that the decision too support the new TP… thing involved all these far reaching global considerations. I rather doubt that the labour negotiators or Jacinda realised how deep their machinations were either.
    We can hope that they are playing a longer game , and the time to dig their heels in is the last minute when it has had time to be really improved to Jane Kelsey’s satisfaction by everyone else involved, but now, during the period when it is to be reworked, is the right time to voice objections as John has done. Not after it is signed sealed and delivered.
    D J S

    1. Agreed DS.

      The protest is about any corporate inspired fish hooks still within the somewhat secret document.

      Protest will strengthen jacindas hand as protest will be about this secretive coding of the 1%’s desired to harness complying Govts to obey the will of corporate control.

      Protest should also be about the still secretive nature of the deal no matter which parties are contemplating a signing away of our need to know BEFORE any nod to the govt to go ahead is given.

      This Govt has not been elected on a mandate to sign.

      Since when have you seen corporate greed “whither on the vine”.

      Any foothold no matter how small, will be exploited at some stage and ISDS in any form that allows foreign of corporate control of what happens in NZ must not be given oxygen.

  3. She and her advisers, wisely in my view, are content to let them [ISDS] wither on the vine.

    Yeah right. Since whenever did the drivers of laissez faire economics just sit back and allow their ambitions to wither?

    Your argument amounts to “trust Jacinda, her token objections to the toxicity of TPP will frighten its architects and ensure that they will just roll over.”

    Your naivety astounds me.

  4. But is the CPTPP substantially the same document as the TPPA? Unfortunately for John’s argument, the answer is an emphatic “No!”

    How do you substantiate that Chris?

    Where is the proof? The evidence?

    Still looking dude…

    Wishful thinking is no substitute for action. You need to stop trying to sell us the Weimar Republic and start dealing with what the great unwashed actually want…

  5. Oh dear Chris whilst criticising Minto you yourself make statements suggesting you have actually read the document!

  6. “One of the many admirable qualities about John Minto is that he never leaves anyone in any doubt about where he stands.”

    Loving the backhanded compliment paid to Minto, Chris lol! He does seem to take himself rather seriously at times. That said, he’s never deviated from his principles for almost 40 years which suggests a fair amount of integrity.

    I definitely agree with you though. I’ll take an imperfect ‘leftish’ coalition of Labour/NZ First/Greens over perpetual National governments and a “pure left” rump opposition any day.

  7. So you think the CPTPP nations are ‘practically certain’ to re-negotiate if the US indicates that they will re-join the agreement?
    And that the CPTPP is ‘evidence of the growing global effort to diminish the power and scope of corporate interference in the affairs of nation states’?
    I wish!

  8. Trudeau is another hypocrite, he supports the Canadian oil industry, and was happy for that pipeline that Trump allowed to open, to pump Canadian oil down the US states for refining and on-selling.

    So how sincere is this for progressive policy on climate change, I wonder?

    As for the rest that Chris sells us, we had similar promises on other matters the ‘left’ had to deal with, since Tony Blair et al, many years ago, look what has come of it.

  9. If we would for once have a government involved in ‘constructive engagement’ with the people, yes, first of all allows the people to be informed and educated, so to be informed democrats, rather than dumbed down consumerist convenience beings, then we may make some progress.

    I do not see this to happen, as yet, so why should any ‘constructive engagement’ with the dominant powers with vested business interests work instead?

  10. Let’s learn from the disappointment of 1999-2008 Tory lite labour. Stand up and fight them on policy. No apologism cause their supposedly our team. They need to earn our support not assume it.

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