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  1. JK fancies himself as a bit of a rambo sas war hero, remember he used to travel the country with military helicopters and military escorts when he was first elected.

    He wants to play big boys war games with Hillary and the US military machine, along with his offsider Billy Bunter Brownlee.

    It is actually quite comical to watch these politican’s behaviour and posturing?

  2. In humanity’s final confrontations over resources it won’t matter which side NZ fights on because everyone will lose (has already lost?).

    The continuous war engaged in by the financial-military-industrial complex on the very systems that make life-as-we-know-it possible has been extremely successful: Nature has been devastated beyond recognition, and it is now only a matter of time before planetary overheating and environmental collapse terminate human existence.

    Daily CO2

    June 17, 2016: 406.68 ppm

    June 17, 2015: 401.63 ppm

    Up 5.05 ppm (versus the recent average of 2.11 ppm per annum).

    As everything that matters gets made rapidly worse by mendacious politicians we must expect the lies told to the masses to become ever greater……until the system collapses.

    1. No one mentions the greenhouse type emissions from war machines, both in the manufacture and the use. In a time of pretending to commit the world to reducing these emissions it seems the world is arming itself. I don’t think any of this will end well.

      1. You are absolutely right. It will all end very badly, and fairly soon -the US ramping up of tensions with Russia and China and the environmental repercussions of unabated emissions plus all the other damage being done to the environment.

        “The state of the climate so far this year gives us much cause for alarm,” said David Carlson, Director of the World Climate Research Programme. “Exceptionally high temperatures. Ice melt rates in March and May that we don’t normally see until July. Once-in-a-generation rainfall events. The super El Niño is only partly to blame. Abnormal is the new normal.”

        http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/may-was-hottest-month-on-record-carbon-dioxide-levels-antarctica-also-reach-highest-ever-a7089366.html

        Alarm? Climate emergency? Global environmental meltdown underway? Financial and economic meltdown coming soon?

        Ignore, ignore, ignore. Deny, deny, deny: “Keep calm and keep buying property.”

        There are two things most New Zealanders need to recognise but still have not:

        1. John Key and the other maniacs in power could not care less about the future.

        2. Everything Key & Co. say is a direct lie or is founded on a lie.

  3. It can both be done, refurbish and improve our defence forces, and also take in more refugees, that is if the political will would be there.

    But it may necessitate a review of our tax system, and as greed has been the main motivational drive under this government, telling people to want more for ME, ME and MY interests, too many people have become more selfish and do not want to pay the taxes that are needed to safeguard our future and to improve lives for all of us.

    Divide and rule, that is the main problem, where greed plays a great role, hence we have this dilemma.

    Re defence I would prefer the Swiss kind of approach, more neutrality, independence, but robust enough funding to pay for the essentials.

    1. I’d prefer a more peaceful approach like Costa Rica’s.

      No military.

      Equipment to patrol our fisheries, to respond to humanitarian disasters and that’s it.

      Works for them, and they’ve got Nicaragua and Panama on either side of them. And no, they have no arrangement with the USA for “protection”.

  4. Yet when it comes to preparations for fighting wars, the sky’s the limit. In its Defence White Paper the government projects spending $20 billion on new defence equipment over the next 15 years?

    That’s not ‘sky’s the limit’ type spending. It’s only $1.333 billion per year. We actually do need to be able to defend ourselves from the types of people causing the refugees.

    The project delivered two Off-shore Patrol Vessels, four In-shore Patrol Vessels and a Multi-Role Vessel, the Canterbury. All up Project Protector cost $500 million.

    And realistically it’s not enough. That’s the problem. Throughout our history NZ has never spent enough on defence relying upon the good will of others to defend us and that’s neither diplomatic or practical unless we’re determined to be someone else’s serfs.

    Personally, I’d prefer to be an independent nation.

    The frigates are so much more expensive to build and operate than the Multi-Role Vessel and the patrol boats because of all the high-tech equipment they need to fight a major war alongside the US and Australian navies.
    No, they need that high-tech to be able to defend us from high-tech threats.

    In the 1980s there was a widespread public debate over whether we should get frigates at all. Frigate opponents argued that they were too expensive and they locked us into US and Australian defence objectives. The arguments against wasting money on frigates apply even more today when America’s main military adversary is now our main trading partner, China.

    That’s actually an argument for not only improving our defence forces but building up our own defence research, development and construction. Not by private for profit corporations of course. The weapons of war should not be produced for profit as it puts in place a large incentive to then go to war.

    You’d think that given the tension between China and the US, New Zealand would step back a bit.

    Yep, we should be declaring our total and utter neutrality. But even in doing that we’d still need to build up our defence forces.

    Presumably the idea now is to help the US track Chinese submarines. Is that really what we want our tax money spent on?

    Not helping the US, no, but we do need to track any submarines in the area as they are a threat.

    New Zealand is hardly facing any military threat and should be promoting itself as a peacemaker not a warmaker. Having a small military budget would then be an asset, not a liability.

    No it wouldn’t – it’d make no difference whatsoever. What it’d mean is that we’re more likely to be attacked and that no one would step in to save us.

    1. ‘We actually do need to be able to defend ourselves from the types of people causing the refugees.’

      So you are saying that we need to defend ourselves from the American financial-military-industrial complex. Hmm? Can’t see that working out well.

      ‘What it’d mean is that we’re more likely to be attacked and that no one would step in to save us.’

      It’s not 1941. The game is OVER.

      1. I think that Draco is right. We need some defence forces, and what we have is old stock and much of it is not up to modern day performance and purpose. So some investment is needed.

        But apart from the resources we have in the seas around us, and on our land, New Zealand is a small, strategically not very significant piece of land. No major power really needs us all that much, as they can control the South Pacific without needing a base or support from here, China’s and now even Russia’s contacts with Fiji and a few other small island nations shows it.

        The US still have American Samoa, the French are still in Tahiti and New Caledonia, and Indonesia can flex its muscle in Papua New Guinea and Melanesia, whatever New Zealand does, it will not change any of these influences.

        The only major power down under that is of importance to the rest of the world, that is militarily and strategically, that is Australia, and all we can do is work with them, to some degree, and otherwise mind our business, and make sure we keep some illegal fishing boats, and drug smugglers and other undesirable players out.

        The rest will be done by the big players, irrespective of what we may do or not do. Naturally, it should be smart though, to have sufficient people involved in defending this land, should something happen further down the track, and having enough men and women with training and good, basic arms ready to defend us, that is the basic essential, come global climate change, sea rises, whatever.

        The world is not just full of warm hearted, loving people out there, if that was the case, we would have no conflicts and troubles anywhere. A short look over the shores and seas tells us, better be prepared for some trouble.

        1. But apart from the resources we have in the seas around us, and on our land, New Zealand is a small, strategically not very significant piece of land. No major power really needs us all that much, as they can control the South Pacific without needing a base or support from here, China’s and now even Russia’s contacts with Fiji and a few other small island nations shows it.

          Was watching this the other day and one of the pieces of information in it was that NZ has more resources per capita than any other nation.

          So, no major nation needs us but they do want our resources. That’s what the FTAs are for – to get nations to export their resources to the rich and powerful countries. If FTA’s don’t work then armed invasion is it as the Middle East has found out over the last 60+ years.

          And don’t think that we’re special either just because we have the same forbears as some of those potential aggressors.

      2. So you are saying that we need to defend ourselves from the American financial-military-industrial complex. Hmm?

        Yes and it would work fine. Just need to stick to physical reality rather than the delusional one of money and politics. Global empires don’t actually work.

  5. I agree with a military force for peacekeeping, humanitarian needs and fisheries patrols but to act as supporters and accessories to the US war machine and US military industry no I do not agree.

    1. NZDF isn’t an interventionist military, it’s more a forign policy tool that gives government more of a say in multinational operations. So if we contribute a ship or airplane then some one from NZDF is stationed in the command HQ where the operation is run out of. That gives us a say in day to day operations. Then again we don’t really choose who to fight where you’re Americas Ally.

  6. And today we learn, another John Key comment from late last year, was again just something not worth honouring. Today he announced the special trainers and their protectors will stay in Iraq for another 18 months. Last year Key said, he say no reason to extend their stay on duty there. So there seems to be money for this also, while Paula Bennett rushes around handing out $5,000 cheques to people without homes, who she wants to shift out of Auckland, something quick:

    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/306847/nzdf-operation-in-iraq-to-be-extended

    It is damned hard to keep up with all this circus.

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