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  1. Hi Christine Rose ,

    Good analogy but I hasten to add a point lost in your presentation.

    When you said “with people economically struggling outside thriving London, and seeking more self-determination, better economic fortunes, “sovereignty”, more accountability from political elites, less bureaucracy, all condensed in sentiment against the ‘monolithic’ EU.” you should then use this warning on this “NZ National “Austerity crazed” Government (as my wife puts it) to also suggest that John Key should take note from this “Collapse in provincial regions that forced Cameron to quit and may happen to Key here in NZ for the same reasons of reasons of the same regional hardship “with people economically struggling outside thriving London, and seeking more self-determination, better economic fortunes, “sovereignty” as Key’s Government is actively intervening in most NZ regions with his MBIE Ministry of “Economic Development” SS Joyce propaganda that has just been as much an adjective failure in regional NZ as EU model has been for their regions that voted “Leave”.

    look inside most regional papers around NZ, and see that most infrastructure is failing such as poor roads as at the same time the options for rail freight/passenger services are dying or shut down while road transport is causing weekly accidents or killing many on all Northland, central East coast,HB’,Wairarapa, Canterbury, Otago roads while their economies continue to shrink while Auckland economy booms and you will see a pattern here.

    Mr Key & SS Joyce heed this warning, let the provinces continue to suffer and they may also hand you a defeat in next years’ election!!!

  2. yes..those young who voted did favour remaining – but only 40% of eligible young voters actually voted..

    ..and those canny scots voted 62% to 38% to stay…(bye bye u.k!..)

    ..and if you want to know what sort of person voted to leave – the tory lord ashcroft has a polling company – and he has published the best on that i have seen..

    http://www.whoar.co.nz/2016/ed-clearest-picture-whowhy-voting-patterns-brexit-done-lord-ashcroft-makes-depressing-reading/

    ..in short..as you will see..they are very much like yr bog-standard nz first voter..eh.?

    funny that..!

    1. a major reason why there is certainty scotland will leave uk is because one of the major arguments for remain in their recent referendum (which was very close..)

      ..was that if scotland left the uk – they would lose eu rights/privileges..

      so..

    2. correction:..

      i said that 40 % of young people voted..

      ..it was actually 36% of 18-24 yr olds who cd be bothered putting down their controllers/phones and going to the ballot-box..

      ..useless twats..!

      ..throw that stat at any crowing millennial…that shd shut them up..

      1. and as for my bloody generation – 83% of them voted…and only about 36% voted to stay..

        ..useless/stupid old bastards..!

        ..does anyone know if i can officially resign from a generation..?

        ..get a change of generation by deed-poll…?

        ..get me a lawyer..!

        ..i want outta here..!

        ..i am surrounded by nz first voters…!

        ..aarrgghh!!

  3. You don’t mention the Northern Ireland result.

    They voted to stay in the EU, and there’s a convincing argument for a vote there on whether they want to stay in the UK or the EU. The extension of the EU path is eventual Irish reunification. 🙂

  4. I followed the EU foreign minister summit in Berlin tonight, on Al Jazeera, they seem to have no answers and to be in turmoil. But to get it straight, we have no solutions anyway, the independence of humans seized years ago. Once you sign up with Twitter, Facebook and the rest, you will be mentally and otherwise enslaved for the rest of your existence, also by advertising and consumerism, and you will be tracked and traced 24/7.

    Most out there live in total denial, not wanting to hear this.

    As for Brexit, it is an irrelevant side show, it is just the beginning of the end, of the disfunctional EU, a failed project and humans thinking they can be masters of their fate.

    It started with the idiotic religious idiots writing such stuff as the Bible, that humans are somehow superior. But the superiority complex of humans is exactly why humans will self destroy, they just keep repeating history, the EU disaster is the perfect example.

    Prepare for WW3, it will come, sooner or later. Humans are flawed, but deny they are, we all are flawed, but pretend we are in control and near perfect.

    Fuck the human species, I say.

    1. been drinking the nihilist kool-ade there..?..blake..?

      (and sheesh..!..it might even rain..)

      ..arer you young and intense or at the other end of the spectrum..?

      ..old and cynical..

    2. Interesting times. It’s hard to say whether Brexit is the beginning of the end (as the media portrays it) or the start of something new. While I probably would have voted remain, like many it would have been a vote for the status quo rather than an intellectual decision after analysing the data.
      ‘Experts’ and economists in the media were anti-Brexit, but many outside of mainstream channels saw things differently.

  5. The only good thing that may come out of this is Scottish independence, at last.

  6. And especially fuck Francis Fukuyama. We are not at the end of history and never will be.
    “War and globalization go hand in hand.” Michel Chossudovsky.
    The professional paraders of virtue are too concerned with their own parade to understand this or to comprehend that vast numbers of refugees fleeing across the planet along with vast numbers of economic migrants are about the weaponization of people and the “globalization of poverty.” They are too busy dancing the minority rights mazurka or the greeny gay gordons to consider the horrors perpetrated across our earth by the deep state and their agents the World Bank, the IMF, NATO and the CIA.
    It is amusing to read the sanctimonious blather about how this candidate or that rabble rouser is “deeply flawed” when even the legendary J.C. is reported to have said that “there is none good, not one.”
    In the future the division will be about those who actually care about life on our planet in all its swaggering complexity and want to preserve it and those who very clearly do not. The latter will need to be erased from the sphere which they so obviously hate.

    http://russia-insider.com/en/brexit-signals-end-neocons-end-history/ri15213

  7. The people spoke. Good riddance to the fear encouraging and war mongering lot.
    They told the elite that it is the people deciding and not the corporate and banker and right wing politicians and lobbyists. They stood up for their rights and won. Hallelujah ! !
    Great day ! ! and Cameron leaving in October is also very good news about the people taking back their power. Prison state crumbles and others will follow. People are sick of being dictated to.

    Now please have an open mind as you listen to David Icke on this issue.
    This is not the same link I put up before, it is just hours old and new, not published by TDB before (very likely).

    https://www.davidicke.com/article_search/2016/6/25?headlines=1

  8. “Net migration in the UK has grown from about 37,000 people on average every year from 1991-1995, to an average of 249,000 p.a in 2011-2015, but in 2014 for example, only 45% were from the European Union, with the majority from the Commonwealth countries, legacies of colonialism.”

    So 249,000 for a country with 64 million people, where does it leave us then with 64,000 per annum for a country with only 4.5 million???

    See the challenge here, that few like to address, the elephant in the room behind artificially boosted economic growth and the housing affordability crisis and stagnant incomes for many?

    Just raising concern about immigration here puts one at risk of being called a xenophobe or racist, PC gone mad I think.

    1. I agree. Immigration policies of the past 30 or so years have changed Britain, and not for the better. What is wrong with calling out those who seek to undermine the culture and institutions of Britain, at the same time accepting the benefits of living in a western democracy.

      1. So when will you be denouncing John Key and other right wing extremists for undermining culture and institutions in New Zealand and every other western democracy?

        1. Indeed, Sam. And will maninthemiddle support a referendum here in New Zealand to give voters the right to choose whether or not to join the TPPA?

          Unless I missed it, he’s studiously ignored that question put to him.

        2. Exactly Sam – when will we be serving the – ” shove off ” papers to our – not so esteemed – serial lying PM ? He and
          Cameron are good mates and cut from the same cloth.

          The arts and culture funding is pathetic in this country.
          Those suffering will continue to under this train wreck govt.

          How can we remove our PM ? How can we sign the petition ?

      2. I agree. Immigration policies of the past 30 or so years have changed Britain, and not for the better.

        Maori might well say the say thing about Pakeha immigration to Aotearoa.

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