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  1. “Labour’s blatant misrepresentation of its own history continues.”
    Indeed it does and I’ve got more than 105 wishes – but even half a dozen could return it to where it needs to be, and until then, I’ll be amongst a growing number of (near) lifetime voters that’ll be flicking my vote elsewhere come ’23. And I know of at least one born and bred B;ackball voter that’ll be doing likewise.

    Meanwhile, I’ll watch with amusement and despair as the PR spin and bullshit continues

  2. Fair comment Chris. The not inconsequential roles of Bassett, Prebble, and Douglas also seem to have evaded the copywriter. The message above Kelvin’s moniker is so “Americas Cup” full of bubbles PR style.

    One could go on…“neither for nor against the watersiders” re the ’51 lockout. Though there is obviously so much more to Peter Fraser than that. And the interesting numerous zigs and zags in J Lee’s career with Labour etc.

    Really, I think a few years could be subtracted from Labour’s year count–specifically those years since the 1984 election!

  3. I may have to read this in easy stages throughout the day – it is too depressing – but Kelvin can sod off back home – that’s it. How can anybody be so effortlessly superficial ? I may join the Labour Party to help shaft the leadership. I am angry.

    I have previously defended Kelvin, and said that he just needs media training, and once again I ‘m proven wrong.

    Thing is, Kelvin is a teacher, and I think a headmaster, and this isn’t good enough. The non-immigrant taxi drivers have a better grasp of history than teacher man. Pull the kids away from this sort of cruddy teaching, live on rice, and put them into private schools, and out come the tuis screaming about elitism and privilege.

    We whose whanau were involved in the dynamics of the watersiders so-called strike, the unionisation of the railway workshops, whose childhood homes were visited by women of history like Mabel Howard who likely ate cupcakes – but Kelvin would probably say that Jacinda makes cute cupcakes- who were blighted by the smears of the Catholic Church designating Labour workers supporters Communists, and bishops telling nuns and priests who to vote for back in the days when the clergy carried a lot of clout, and were much more powerful than Maori on flashy motorbikes with designer hair and flashy wives holidaying in the Greek Isles – we should be weeping for the years of history being tarnished by these effete Labour dilettantes.

    Back then, the politicians stood on boxes on street corners and they answered real questions from real people.
    Who could do that now ?

    1. “these effete Labour dilettantes”
      🙂
      That’s bloody good. They’ve rendered themselves from being capable too
      AND
      “Back then, the politicians stood on boxes on street corners and they answered real questions from real people.
      Who could do that now ?”
      Well if Faa-aa-f-f-f-foi dithers much more over the state of what’s left of a 4th Estate, it’ll be what they have to do
      It’s a real shame they seem to have lost functioning bullshit detectors (that’s if some of them ever had functioning ones in the first place)
      Nice blokes aren’t necessarily capable blokes whether they’re politicians or the politician’s mate – the ‘official’
      And by the way, I don’t regard ‘officials’ as public servants any more. That realityt went by the wayside in the 80s. It’s usually the ’emotional staffer’ that is the public servant – working in spite of the official rather than because of them.

      There is hope though in the ranks – Louisa Wall seems to have had enough of the crap

  4. So who is going to start a REAL left wing party, as Labour today are L.I.N.O?
    In the UK George Galloway has started the Workers Party and just lost a local election the other day, by three hundred or so votes, but seemingly the council, Labour run, used it’s employees, during work time, to take down the Workers Party signs/advertisement, illegally, or so it is claimed.
    At least the UK are trying to create a GENUINE left wing party for the 60-70% real working class.
    We desperately need a similar party here in NZ, or L.I.N.O will get in again as there is NO REAL alternative.
    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/batley-and-spen-george-galloway-says-he-will-take-legal-action-to-challenge-by-election-defeat/ar-AALGzW6?ocid=uxbndlbing

  5. Driven to check again my sketchy knowledge of Peter Fraser, and that my dead dad was right in acknowledging Fraser’s proactive contribution to education, and Fraser’s recognition of the importance of education. This should have been mentioned as it is more directly relevant to New Zealand’s story than any peripheral United Nations involvement – except that to the Labour Party today, the UN0 is heaven and Hollywood combined, and of greater import than the children of the poor.

  6. With you on that Kevin but I do not know how to counter the misinformation that is now well entrenched.
    When I talk Marxism and Socialism with friends and neighbours they always respond, ‘ but that means secret police and Labour camps, imprisonment without trial and making everyone poor.’ They react with surprise when I point out that our first hugely successful state housing programme run by Jack Lee was Socialism as was the planting of forests, building of dams and other beneficial public works.
    If you mention Anarchism today people do not associate it with self regulating communities or industries actually run by workers for public benefit. People associate it with chaos and lack of order( just as an aside the Greek word ‘anarchy’ means self-rule not disorder).
    The successful examples of Anarchy in Russia, Eastern Europe, Spain and Latin America receive no publicity.
    One reason that neoliberals were able to successfully sell their philosophy was the failed economies of communist and socialist states and the promotion of the idea that ‘Greed is good’ and ‘Worship the rich’.
    Can we feed on the disillusionment that created to make a real alternative to Labour? At one time I put my hope in the Greens but they seem to have reverted to Labour’s puppet.
    Social Credit in the past was a force in the past and Social Credit( or Credit Reform) has been successfully used ( New Zealand in World War II, the original state houses) but never seemed to form a coherent social policy.
    E kati! Any ideas for the revolution?

  7. “It is difficult to know where to begin with this crude travesty of Labour’s history.”

    Do you not have a waste paper basket in your office Chris?

    Never mind, your surgical precision in lancing this neoliberal pustule certainly makes up for it.

    I’m old enough to remember all the nonsense around the Homosexual Law Reform Act. In my universe it was always Fran Wilde’s bill and efforts that got it passed. And 1984 was the last time I ever voted labour…

    Davis’ press release seems to encapsulate all that is wrong with our current ‘government’. Just bad managers…

  8. Absolutely wonderful and refreshing in its blunt honesty. Thank you for setting the record straight in this article, Mr Trotter. I should imagine it would be difficult for a political organization to not react to ( successive) current circumstances after 105 years, but to do so and throw out the baby with the bathwater and morph into something else is another thing. The big fear is that after all of that passage of time, a political party evolves into exactly the opposite of what it once stood for , bolstered on by revisionism and falsehoods.

    Which is precisely what has happened to NZ Labour.

  9. What I found rather disappointing are the holes in this narrative that have been “attributed” to Davis… Norman Kirk was the first NZ PM to become fully engaged in forcing the french to stop above ground nuclear testing( a fact that led to the French government “punishing” NZ with the Rainbow Warrior bombing).. That isn’t a small thing to do… While The Lange government was blindsided by the duplicity of Roger Douglas and his band of merry men, they still had to deal with an economy that was set to explode in all directions as a result of being screwed down to a standstill by the incompetence of the Muldoon Govts attempt to maintain a command economy when they didn’t understand the first thing about how socialism works… The ignorance of reality that is being displayed by those who have no excuses not to know better is what worries me the most… The bottom line is, that if you don’t know where you came from, how will you know where you are going to? The labour party has lost it’s way, and the only positive is that they are still preferable, and safer than what’s on offer from the rabble on the opposition benches… If it wasn’t for the fact hat Australia has now got the most incompetent, and utterly bought and paid for government, I would be planning to shift back there the second there is a big enough job requiring skilled workers starting up… Even France, covid free looks more attractive than what’s on offer here.. And it’s not just the government that must take blame for the untenable situation here.. Far too many people hitched their wagons to what amounted to a takeover of NZ by John Keys corporate mates… And look what that lest us with.. Ridiculously overpriced housing, food, clothing, and practically everything else one could think of, along with a noticeable narrowing of choices as to models of appliances, equipment etc… I know it’s easy, and satisfying to pillory those who have shown timidity in the face of a tsunami of difficulties in trying to rebalance, but let’s not make the mistake of thinking there are better alternatives… The labour party is ours to fix.. it’s up to us to do that.. Whining and hand wringing won’t make a skerrick of difference to the political landscape we are faced with.. Grown up action, and nothing else will make that change..

  10. I do not know enough of the Labour history to comment on the past but what I do know is the daily read of my paper is full of missteps made by this government . Vaccine delay and no real progress plan for the team of 5 million , Mike King and his exposure of the mental health failure, the lack of any solution to the runaway house prices, Nurses forced to strike due to years of inaction about pay parity, prisons poorly run , little progress on road hot spots being fixed despite having the funds for a cycle bridge , businesses left to limp along due to lack of staff while MIQ has empty spaces and immegrants not knowing what the future holds as the Minister refuses to commit to anythink.
    The list goes on and while I would agree many of these problems were not of their making and covid was a curveball that No one could have anticipated this group put their hand up and we’re given the chance to shine but I see little to install confidence .

  11. There is no Blackball Miners Hall which was pulled down by miners following the closure of the mine in 1964 (and miners refusing to let hippies use it). There is a Miners Hall at Rununga (a picture of which was famously depicted behind Helen Clark in some of her photo shoots). It is the second miners hall on the site in Rununga after the first was burnt down. Labour MP’s in front of Formerly the Blackball Hilton might be closer to the mark

  12. Well, you have to hand it to Jacinda and the rest of the fascistic LINO team; they still manage to utilise everything they are firmly against in their marketing, and still get away with it!

    Having a more-or-less totally dumbed-down general populace obviously helps when one is totally devoid of morals and one is relying on advertising agencies and other neuro-linguistic programmers to keep the uninformed masses believing the corporation-sponsored bullshit.

    “People tend to go mad in herds, and recover their senses one at a time.” -Mackay,. 1841.

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