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  1. Of course it was a right-wing protest, what protest against government actions won’t be from here on in. Those who see right-wingers everywhere clearly believe that government is sacrosanct and beyond reproach because blaming the world’s ills on right-wingers is simply a way to draw attention away from government actions/inaction.

    The world isn’t the way it is because of right-wingers. Politicians and whom they ultimately serve, have shaped the world we have been living in. When trillions are flowing to the top while local business and workers struggle, whom government actually works for becomes easy to see. Those who protect government, are no ally of the people.

    Government has lost the plot, that is not a right-wing thing to say. As a left-winger, I strongly believe in government, but only a fool ignores what government has now become and whom they ultimately serve.

    It is time that we, the people, bring them to heel, before they, the State, buries their jackboots in our faces for good, while in the service of their elitist masters.

    Time to wake up folks, time to wake up Chris…time is running out.

  2. Hopefully Jacinda and the Duck have learnt something from this Protest in Wellington.

    1. What do you hope they learned? That on day one you go in and smash heads to dissuade masses from gathering?
      That you set up a tent at the beginning, a sort of ’embassy’ where delegations can put forward their credentials for being the ones to be the conduits for communications? Or organise site elections so the gathered can choose their leaders?

    2. Jacinda, Costar and Mallard are the winners from this week’s right wing illegal covid camp on parliament grounds. The anti anything labour and hate jacinda right wing commentators are the losers.
      That makes it Jacinda 100, right wing 0 – ZERO.

  3. I agree, the forcible occupation of Parliament and possibly the Beehive was a tangible possibility on the second or third day. 1000 determined protestors would have overwhelmed the police and parliamentary security. The only way out from the Beehive would have been helicopters from the roof. It would have looked like a coup, though taking over buildings is not the same as taking over government.

    The realty is the the protestors never had the intent to take over the buildings. There were there to persuade politicians, not capture them, some of the signs notwithstanding.

    As for your broader point, is there a political party capable of representing their concerns and getting 5%.Is it NZ First?

    Other than that is problem of radicalised lone wolves. The problem is potentially worse than that. Radicalised cells in the manner of the Bader Mienhof of the the 1970’s in Germany or Red Brigades in Italy. If not in ideology, at least the same in intent and form.

    Yes, Commissioner Coster has a difficult job ahead.

  4. Pray that such a figure does not emerge, a dark mirror-image of Gramsci’s organic intellectual…

  5. While I fully agree that the 1923 beginnings of Hitler’s rise to power are entirely relevant today, you’re out of touch with reality with respect to the remainder of your article. Why do you think there “will likely be a surge of support for the Government’s stance”? When it’s obvious that the government has lied about vaccine mandates before vs after the 2020 election. A severe backlash against the Labour government is instead far more likely at our next election – resulting in possible future platforms for reincarnations of Hitler in NZ.

    You seem to think that the “formidable apparatus of New Zealand’s national security community, most particularly the SIS and the GCSB” might be a useful shield to hide behind. Have you considered the possibility of such a “formidable apparatus” falling under the control of any future right-wing tyranny in NZ?

    All because the current Labour government is woefully out of touch with reality and hence sowing the seeds for such future right-wing tyranny in NZ.

    I think your opening paragraphs in this article are spot-on while I’d draw entirely different conclusions than the remainder of your article. I instead fear the demise of the left-wing thanks to the current government’s reckless irresponsibility.

    1. And time will not reflect well on this demonstration.
      It will be March the second that will be remembered not peaceful protest.

  6. Dunno Chris, On one hand I applaud that the police moved in and sorted out the protesters ( in Wellington) however on the other hand I have a certain admiration for there determination in getting there messages across even though at times the messages were muddled to say the least, I do think you could be wrong in portraying these people, being influenced by so called right wing extremists, As from what I saw, were a whole lot of people from all walks of life, left, right, Māori, pakeha, employees, business owners who’s had a guts full of being lied to, spoken down to and at times fed a whole heap of gobbledygook from piss weak, double speak politicians ( from all parties) who for the most part wouldn’t have a clue in hell in what goes on in the real NZ/AO due to them being hell bent on lining there portfolios for there own egotistical personal gain!
    Therefore is it any wonder that we are seeing the sort of protests that have unfolded over the last few weeks

  7. It is interesting because when Maori are over represented in any statistics, the left cry “colonisation”. They were over represented at this protest, but somehow colonisation is not seen as an explanation for these Maori.

    I only hope Winston Peters mops up these people as a Chanel for an electoral voice. The alternatives are frankly terrifying

  8. So that is two articles this week reflecting on the right and especially the fringe. But we have a right wing government, correct? A deeply conservative business as usual Right Wing Government – don mention TAX, support by the (scab) greens. The right are totally dominating the debate, as they have done since the neo-lib wave.

    Where is the party of the left? Maybe – Vote for Equality and Wellbeeing -“Christ Trotter’s Truth Left Party”

  9. Glossary

    Fissiparous: tending to split or divide; pertaining to splitting or division

    Cold hate: neokindness

  10. As above, Mr Trotter, and as mentioned elsewhere on TDB, mandates were recommended against by the WHO. There is also the significant legal finding in the police/defence force case that mandates are unlawful in those instances.
    Getting vaccinated is actually a selfish decision as it’s really just helping protect the individual from more serious disease, sensible yes, morally superior? For most of us, no.

    Forced vaccination was never something I’ve been favour of for covid even earlier with more dangerous variants and better protection- to me the social division from casting out people from society was never outweighed by the small gain in community protection:
    This is not smallpox or measles where a vaccine gives strong long lasting protection from infection and transmission and elimination might be achieved -covid vaccines have not proved to be watertight as I’ve mentioned as likely from the beginning due to the nature of the virus itself.
    With omicron, vaccine protection from transmission is so weak it’s barely different to the unvaccinated, although it does appear to still help reduce severity- how on earth then can mandates be justified in most of the population?

    And then to the protest – desperate and some misguided people but with a core of truth – mandates are not justified, or if you can show they are please put your case here.

    It’s saddened me greatly seeing the othering and the violence unfold, New Zealand has changed a little more for the worse.
    This should have been defused at the start with a meeting, even if nothing was agreed, there would have been moral high ground for moving people on before the situation imbedded and was inflamed.

    The worst of this is that yes the government is going to use its own failure here to drive hate speech and censorship laws which will erode civil liberties even more – its been signalled by the calling for an enquiry including “misinformation”, and is the M O of this labour government.
    Ideologically blinkered as they are they can’t see that doing so induces further paranoia in those they have radicalised here and will drive them out of mainstream sight.

    While the radical anti vaxer fringe disappear down paranoid rabbit holes, the government forces us all down its own rabbit hole of forced censorship and state surveillance.

    1. Agreed. Here we have the vilification of the protestors by Government, MPs, PM, media, trying to link them to far right wing extremists and prepared to cut whatever suspicious links (quite like a conspiracy theory itself).Why are they all so upset by opinions like that there are no viruses at all (held by some researchers as well), that the vaccines are dangerous, not effective, suspicious (also held by some researchers) while they all accept (and are prepared to invest money) to opinions that a turtle, a mountain, a river is someone’s ancestor? Where is the position of science in this?
      To prevent the spread of theories about genocide etc. the Government should have avoided all coercion that always incite reaction and is always suspicious.
      Mind you, the protestors and all who sympathize with them are not “they”, they are us, our co-citizens who are not going to evaporate we will live side by side. Just tell me, how often in pre-Covid era did you debate with anyone the existence of viruses, the RNA and DNA, vaccinations etc.? Isn’t it the highest time to calm down to normal pre-fear era and for the Government to scrap the mandates, passports and restrictions?

      1. ” Isn’t it the highest time to calm down to normal pre-fear era and for the Government to scrap the mandates, passports and restrictions?”

        Yes and that is the governments plan should Andy actually open his ears. It’s just Andy is like a 5 year old “I want it now” wah wah wah!

      2. How often in pre-Covid era did we debate with anyone the existence of viruses, the RNA and DNA, vaccinations etc? Why? What was the use?
        When the need arose we were all expert scientists – microbiologists, epidemiologists, virologists, and immunologists. Let alone modellers.

  11. “…have been presented with live images of a crazed anti-vaxxer seated in the Speaker’s Chair?”

    I’d consider it an improvement on the current sellouts.

    Too bad Globalism successfully absorbed the NZ Left into its Hive Mind circa 1980s.

  12. Getting into parliament was never on the agenda like Jan 6th because, unlike Jan 6th, there was nothing going on inside to disrupt. If parliament was sitting to pass even more restrictive mandates then perhaps there might have been enough impetus, but it wasn’t.

  13. Yes, my greatest complaint against “the occupiers” is that they will further justify the governments determination to legislate against free speech even though there was very little speech of any substance to be heard/seen and there is already legislation against threatening to kill. Blow them!
    As for composition of the mob? Make your own estimates.
    Alt-right 3%
    Stolid, stubborn ‘kiwi blokes(esses) 26%
    Natural livers, tree-huggers 19%
    Life-long grievance holders 42%
    Sad bastards 10%
    They have enjoyed the attention, so for goodness’ sake let’s stop taking notice.

  14. I’m not a fan of Winston Peters but as he pointed out the majority of people who protested simply wanted to be have their concerns heard and have the government engage with them. People who had lost jobs, businesses, people who felt their human right to decide what is injected into their bodies mean’t something. Hardly the stuff of far right conspiracy types, no matter how hard the government and the mainstream media, have tried to portray them as such.

    Its worth mentioning too, that the tools of the state are paid for by the people and should by rights, be there for their protection, not their intimidation and persecution, should they decide to voice their opposition to what the government is doing. Its a small thing called democracy and if we overlook it, it will soon be gone.

    1. Yeah right… There are two sides to the tools of the State and who they should act or desist from being for. Don’t forget while you are heaving great sighs of sadness over louche protesters (great word, I recommend it in this case). On the other hand while the protesters have had more than their time in the rain showing contempt for the people as well as the politicians who they demand to be listened to by, get that I don’t know if it makes sense, but hey incoherence is in. If you don’t understand then you are just a woose or something. Meanwhile a lot of people serve the public in some job, and have to do it and get paid for it, so they can pay tax on it, and perhaps keep the protesters going with some of it, and haven’t time to listen to your mates never-ending story or unravel this mush.

    2. Oh for fucks sake, the ‘protesters’ have had their concerns listened to constantly since day one – even the most ‘rabbit hole rantings’. The problem is that the appearance they have ultimately created seems to be that they don’t want to abide by democratic principles or protest in a responsible manner. Can it be expected that three percent of 95% should be able to dictate to the majority. It wouldn’t be so bad if the Government had not done such a good job initially and carried the responsibility of ensuring the best available research has been obtained and acted on. What has gone before is most likely the best possible foundation for moving toward a safer and more ‘normal’ future in terms of the workplace, economy and even hospitality if people feel safe. Letting a virus loose like a bull at a gate now, would potentially create all manner of mayhem.

      As for your comment, “People who had lost jobs, businesses, people who felt their human right to decide what is injected into their bodies meant something”…, get off the grass! They didn’t lose their jobs or businesses, they surrendered them to their principles. You know, the sort of thing most people to a greater or lesser degree do all the time. It is called life. A challenging part of your comment was in regard to ‘losing businesses’. We will take decades to recoup the costs that were accumulated to keep businesses afloat and to keep people in work with an income.

      You also seem to have strange twists on ‘intimidation and persecution’. Both sides were guilty to a greater or lesser degree, but of course, that is always a consequence of dissention.

  15. Careful with your scenarios Chris. With many not knowing the demarcation between their experienced reality, their imagined and talked-up reality, the surroundings and hegemony they live in, and television presentations of fact or fiction or faction, mind-floats can occur. Reading this might be confusing, as in blow a fuse.
    Would a noose-swinging lynch mob have made their way up the Beehive stairwells crying “Ja-cin-daaa!” And, having seen a dozen of their comrades shot down by the Prime Minister’s bodyguards, would they have set fire, not to pup-tents, but the Beehive itself?

    ‘And having seen a dozen of their comrades shot down by the Prime Minister’s bodyguards’ – you don’t want to find that fictoid (I hope) has got into the anthropological histories of the lost tribe of NZ. Things do worm their way into such unexpected niches.

  16. “RIGHT-WING ORGANISERS” ???? Get a grip Chris!

    You mean the nasty fascists who are against forced medical procedures that breech both our Human Rights Act and the Nuremburg declaration?

    It’s the government we need to fear, not the protesters.

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