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  1. Agree with the first 3/4 but then you get to your old chestnut of giving everyone residency. I think it must be the old “workers of the world unite” thing but ignores reality in a small country like ours.
    We need borders.

    It’s absolute madness to give more residency away when we have an immigration induced housing and infrastructure crisis.
    Just make it illegal to bring in cheap overseas unskilled labour.
    Fixed

    1. +1 – unions benefit, because immigration has more people to join unions and so it is good for unions. A decade ago it lazy immigration of cheap labour would be considered scab labour and unions were against. it.

      Local participation in unions has fallen off as they have failed to adapt to the gig economy.

      I’m not against unions but being in favour of increasing scab labour is a cop out.

      Look around the food banks and streets and you will see the local casualties. As is the full schools, hospitals, roads, waster water systems, and further pollution.

      Most jobs like cleaning, construction, child care, home help, service work are just immigration Ponzi’s and the locals are paying for it now with lower wages, increased prices like housing and they don’t have the ability like the migrants to use it to profit from aka when some cultures get NZ residency they can then charge a massive dowry payment for marriage and then use that payment to get a deposit on a house etc.

      Migrants are richer to start with (how else do you afford the flights and all the money needed to get that fake degree or job and all the middlemen payments, its literally ten’s of thousands of dollars ).

      Union membership will not last, because like the Kiwis, the migrants who have skills leave NZ (after gaining residency) so they can get better wages and conditions elsewhere.

      It is a Ponzi and the government need to work out why they can’t keep skilled workers in NZ…

      If there is a world crisis, what is NZ gonna do, if the millions of people who have permanent residency and citizenship come back to NZ and need to use the roads, health service and welfare systems?

      1. If they want to have immigration and not lower wages, how about raise the immigration criteria to having a job on $100,000+ to get the points… Surely that is pro immigration, while raising wages. Ah, no interest from business (and therefore government) for that one!

        NZ is asleep at the wheel. Other countries you need to work 25 years in the country to get superannuation. In NZ they had it 5 years and free health care straight away!!!! The government reluctantly increased it to 10 years, and now a bill for 20 years which is still 5 years under other countries!

        The bill might not even come through because the woke lefties think that Kiwis should be toiling away to make sure other countries parents get that universal payment after paying few if no taxes here, while locals live in tents and their kids go blind waiting for hospital treatment. Apparently too much to expect their own families to provide for them instead.

        Most of the people migrating to NZ in the last 5 years have no welfare system in their countries… so after their 20 yo adult kids start working in that petrol station or tiling for 3 years or buy 5 million worth of property to get the residency points or meet that lovely ‘Kiwi’ partner on Tinder and get married within a few months, the whole family can come into NZ, and eventually gain citizenship, without working a day here…

        Pre Rogernomics you had to prove that there was no hardship being introduced to local people with immigration, now that seems to be the main point of it, provide cheap labour, keep house prices up and bad business practices going while destroying the NZ welfare state by overloading it.

        It is Not the migrants fault I know, but the NZ government that makes the policy and can’t be bothered doing a risk assessment of what the current immigration policies are going to do in 5, 10, 30 or 100 years. (Likewise the trade agreements with climate change).

        100 years most politicians don’t seem to care a toss, what will happen to the next generation and if they will even have green space to play in, fresh water to drink, a job that is not slavery or subject to nepotism, a democratic country free of corruption, freedom of speech or rivers and oceans that are able to be swum in, likewise breathable air free of emissions and dust from industry.

        Nope, build, build, build, sell off assets, sell off assets, sign polluting dinosaur trade agreements galore for apparently the accountants version of economy that benefits a very small segment and everyone else negatively.

        … yep the NZ government through neoliberal ideology are destroying our workforce and welfare organisations through lazy short thinking immigration already and now signing the trade agreements to destroy the environment and peoples rights along with it…

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