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  1. whao whao whao there, Tex. Who are “the left” in NZ? Labour Party supporters? Middle class hobbyists? Teenage feminists? Kid’s that wear hoodies? African and middle eastern immigrants? And they want to recreate East Germany against the KKK? Just stop. Just stop this silliness, you’re a grown man. It’s strawman-a-rama and rapid way to become totally irrelevent to any political discussion.

    1. ” Who are “the left” in NZ?”… All of the above groups you mention, and hundreds more, have members of “the left” among them… Does that make it easier for you? Seriously, do you really believe that “the left” can be pigeonholed that easily?
      Just accept that there is a left leaning constituency in NZ, just as there is in pretty much every country in the world ….. Try not to let those shadows startle you so much aye…

  2. The “left” as you call it is not the real left if it expects the state to stop attacks on Muslims. The real left builds its own working class community institutions to protect the rights of all workers whatever class, race or creed.

    If there is a contradiction regarding the state it is entirely due to the fake left’s confusion about the class nature of the state. It is a bosses’ state and as late as the early 20th century the radical wing of the labour movement understood this, by counterposing naïvely syndicalist unions as the alternative to the Fabian socialism offered by the middle class.

    The left needs to return to the days of the Red Fed and put its faith in its own class organisation and culture, especially as it includes and protects all categories of workers that make up the 80% who produce NZ’s wealth directly or indirectly.

    The only reason that the latent power of that working majority is quiescent is that it is smothered by the bourgeois culture of individualism itself a fetishised inversion of capitalist social relations.

    The left will not revive to lead the social revolution we need to escape the fate of extinction until it understands that the state is no friend to workers but the state of the degenerate capitalist class.

    The state we are in has to give way to a workers’ state where the new ruling class, that which produces the wealth, shares power for the first time by means of a true democracy based on the vast majority.

  3. Another curious disconnect from the left is how the radical feminists condemn our so called ‘white privilege male patriarchy’ that somehow still oppresses them, while welcoming with open arms Muslim immigrant men became ‘diversity is our strength’ . Islam is actually the only real patriarchal religon/ culture/ law left on the face of the earth where women are treated as secondary and actually oppressed by the men and have little rights. This is for good reason as western women are out of control since their emancipation at the ballot late 19 century and the sexual revolution of the 1960s. Its almost like they have gone full circle and want to go pre 1893 again after destroying western masculinity.
    Triggered snowflakes here will call me a racist, sexist, misogynistic toxic male but I don’t care its the truth. Don’t come crying to me when we all start living under sharia law ladies.

    1. I don’t think ‘feminists’ per se, exist any more. Modern Islamic countries can be reasonably benign, and most Muslims agree that much Sharia Law is applicable to the time and/or place in which it was written – as with much of the Old Testament – and indeed, the New Testament.

      All extremes can be bad news, but I’d hesitate to describe New Zealand’s world – leading women and baby bashers as emasculated.

  4. It is ‘interesting’ hat the state uses its surveillance systems and ‘security’ systems i.e. police and paramilitary etc., to criminalise and prosecute (even incarcerate and torture) truth-tellers, environmentalists and those opposed to the wide-ranging destruction the state orchestrates, whilst the REAL CRIMINALS, i.e. parliamentarians, bureaucrats, economists and opportunists get lionised, even given knighthoods etc., for the destruction and mayhem they cause.

    Such is life at the end of empire, which also includes bread and circuses, but without the bread.

    Clearly, as we continue down the slope of energy depletion, environmental degradation and financial ruin that the government and its agencies have orchestrated for us, we must expect the assaults on contrarians to be taken to new levels, until the current system breaks down to the point of being inoperable…which increasingly looks to be around 2025.

    Obviously NZ will be one of the last places to see food (lack of) riots.

    1. Ain’t that the truth. And a big problem is the generic, neo-liberal managerialism that’s now developed into an artform that means everything – even the slightest minimal progress or change necessary takes an eon.
      Everything is treated as a transacting business – including people
      Bureaucracies that are unresponsive and more concerned with maintaining themselves that what it is they’re intended to do. And as we see with OT, and MBIE, and Corrections, and MSD, and NZTA, and, and, and, and …. there are consequences – not the least of which is that the public they’re there to serve loses any faith in them. Once again, it’s not just as H1 says “a lack of capacity” (which there is), but also organisational culture inherent in that hierarchical managerialism that we now see everywhere.
      Yep, I reckon you might be correct: 2025 or thereabouts, but if things don’t begin to improve before 2023, it’ll be interesting electorally.

      1. Ekshully, watching the Selwyn Manning/Paul Buchanan interview again, Paul Buchanan understands the concept of “bureaucratic capture” which is a big part of that managerialism. I suspect its a big part of what happened in OT, but sure as shit I know it to be true elsewhere. If Ministers aren’t careful, they simply become enablers of it all. The astute Minister won’t simply take the word of a gate-keeping ‘official’ that they constantly have complete “faith” in, but they’ll delve a little deeper – even IF they can’t get involved in that fluid phenomenon known as the “operational matter”.
        Tinkering, dithering and incrementalism ain’t going to fix it either. It’s become an artform. Not only did we get CEOs, we now have CEs and DCEs at every turn, and an enterage of spin doctors who probably have their own library of management theory and self-improvement books and a wall of certificates of the various management courses they’ve attended.
        2025, most of them will still be wondering why it all happened.
        And simply changing the State Services Commission to the Public Service Commission isn’t going to cut it either. Sadly, I expected more of Mr Chippie as one of Labour’s ‘heavy lifters’ – but you know – Rome wasn’t built in a day.

  5. What a lovely xmas present–a “don’t rock the boat’ column from Chris.

    The state already added extra snooping power during the Key era along with funding increases. Which included the neo liberal run Govt. Depts being allowed to surveil, plus their personnel and informants can have anonymity for life, and operations can never have existed, or be subject to what minimal scrutiny there is. Under the 1969 Act the SIS already had extended protection for their still living operatives and snouts. Unfortunately the majority of New Zealanders seem not give a proverbial about the dozens of “services”, Bureaus, Committees and special Police squads and units.

    I support Muslims in a general sense of being part of humanity, and those who are NZ citizens, with the caveat that employers of any nationality tend to be bad news, and Religion is a plague, and handbrake on all of humanity in its thrall.

    State Security forces are substantially only ever going to be used against the people, with the added rub that under neo liberalism and globalised commerce, pimping for private capital became one of their prime functions.

    The State could have easily picked up the Christchurch shooter, if they were not elitist, old boy network, Eurocentric, Cold War relics with orders from Washington and Canberra.

    1. Tiger Mountain: “The State could have easily picked up the Christchurch shooter, if they were not elitist, old boy network, Eurocentric, Cold War relics with orders from Washington and Canberra.”

      It’s not clear to me how that could have happened. Tarrant was at pains not to attract attention to himself. The only possibility was if hospital staff had reported him to the police. And as we know, reporting of that sort wasn’t routine at the time.

  6. The whole thing is a bit stupid. It just hadn’t really occurred to anyone that a foreigner would move here to conduct a white supremacist attack. After all, most of these people tend to be angry at their own country’s multiculturalism and immigration issues.

    I wasn’t surprised that the attack was in Christchurch, which has been the epicentre of NZ’s small white supremacist movement for as long as I can remember. I would have been surprised if they were responsible for the attack, because our white supremacists are mostly inept losers incapable of organising anything. Of course the cops were watching them. But who’d a thunk that an Australian would move here to stage an attack?

  7. Oh dear Chris – clearly you have never been knowingly spied upon and spied upon illegally like Keith Locke and others. This is the sort of spying that goes on all the time, people trying to do their bit to improve our society. Do they spy on the Sirs who have made their money through the hard work of others. And of course we spy for other countries and by doing this we are spying on our allies. Frankly they missed those that carried out the bombing of the rainbow warrior and the three Mossad agents who were travelling on illegal passports one of whom was killed during the Otautahi earthquakes and other events. Too busy looking at people of colour I would say……………. The bias within the security services is the same as what is in our police services, if you are ‘foreign’ and your skin is brown you are deemed as worth spying on.

    At the time that the illegal spying on dotcom was exposed there were 82 others who were illegally spied upon, frankly I thought those people spied upon should know who they were but then they might challenge this state apparatus.

    As Nicky Hager said once, the 5 Eyes are interested in being in the club that is 5 Eyes, they are a club in themselves ignoring the wishes of their individual governments.

  8. Persons ( I’m trying to avoid political labels) hostile to police and quasi police organisations, saying that we need more of them, and criticising them for not intercepting the Muslim killer, may be a bit challenged.

    It doesn’t take a genius to plan and execute a crime, even if criminals think themselves so. It was also apparent early on that the Australian killer was a lone wolf and social misfit.

    Importantly, he was enabled by having his own independent source of money – without that, the massacres may well have not occurred, and he may not have even embarked on the travels which shaped his world view. Inheriting at a young age could transform some young guys’ lives, but here the outcome was terrible killings.

    The sort of Orwellian surveillance needed to intercept evil doers like him is possibly unrealistic, but coupled with hate speech laws, and monitoring by the thought police, it’ll be music to the ears of the power wielders – and open up a whole new sub-specialty to enrich lawyers. Micro chipping could be easier and cheaper.

    Were I Maori I’d look at making this a Treaty issue, which should be able to be done; others will have to learn to live with it.

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