Bahahahaha – massive water rates rise because rednecks convinced you da Maaaaaaoris was stealing da 3 waters
Oh Fuck I love it!
FUCK. I. LOVE. IT!
Watercare is telling Aucklanders it may need to increase bills by up to 25.8 per centfrom July as senior politicians work on solutions to soften the blow.
A 25.8 per cent rise would take the water bill for an average household from $1340 to $1688. This is on top of a possible rate rise of 7.5 per cent by the council in July, taking the average household rates bill from $3560 to $3827.
The gloomy prospect of increasing water bills for residents during the cost of living crisis and recession is mentioned in Watercare’s “Tapped In” autumn newsletter.
“The amount you pay for water and wastewater services is scheduled to change on July 1. We may need to increase prices by up to 25.8 per cent to run our business while sticking to Auckland Council’s borrowing limit,” the newsletter reads.
It’s the last four words – “Auckland Council’s borrowing limit” – that are behind a big price hike.
This is because of the uncertainty created by the new Government ditching Labour’s Three Waters reforms and replacing them with National’s Local Water Done Well plan.
Bahahahaha – massive water rates rise because rednecks convinced you da Maaaaaaoris was stealing da 3 waters.
SUCK.
IT.
UP.
YOU.
REDNECK.
BUTTERCUPS!
Where’s all your screams about co-governance and Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaori get too much race baiting rhetoric now you muppets?
Labour’s 3 Waters was an attempt to insulate users from the massive jump in prices while settling the ownership issues with Māori.
Because voters were easily manipulated by astroturf actors convincing them that ‘da Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaori is stealing da water’ level baseline racism, 3 Waters was scrapped and the massive prices jumps have occurred!
Our water system is under immense stress from mass immigration policies that no one wants to pay the infrastructure upgrades for and mass dairy intensification no one wants to stop!
But remind me how it’s all about the Māori’s getting too much!
There are two wars going on right now over water, and because this country is dumb as fuck thanks to a steady diet of intellectual mediocrity via Seven Sharp and The Project, you have no idea what they are.
The first war over Water is being conducted as a culture war. “Da Bloody Maaaaaaaris is stealing da water”! is the battle cry of these slack jowled redneck crackers. They never acknowledge that it was John Key selling 49% of the Hydro Assets that triggered Māori going to the Waitangi Tribunal and the Waitangi Tribunal agreed with Māori that they do have an interest in water and that it was the State’s responsibility to negotiate that interest with Māori. 3 Waters is the culmination of that interpretation of the Tribunals legal ruling, trying to concoct a Qanon conspiracy that the Māori elite are taking over is as stupid as it is stupid.
The culture war is where Groundswell and the new Stop Co-Governance racist redneck crackers are crucial, they are the foot soldiers who ring Talkback, write letters and refer to Cindy a lot on Social Media.
The second war over water is the economic political one. This is where the actual battle over water access, pricing and regulation is being fought. This is where Federated Farmers and Fonteera are fighting.
The dark money to fund the first fight is coming from wealthy cliques and individuals within the Agribusiness elites because they know if they win the culture war on this, they can continue polluting and making money.
There is no Māori conspiracy, just corporate interests manipulating your petty bigotry.
You don’t realise this because the mainstream media are dying keeping you dumb, and thanks to that brain meat mediocrity, the culture war grifters keep winning.
You are so easy to manipulate Nu Zilind, just tell a white bloke that a Māori bloke is getting something they aren’t and they will allow any interest to fuck them over!
Your rates will explode because the new water entities created by National aren’t Government nt backed so all the cost will be borne by you!
Feeling thirsty yet New Zealand?
You dumb rednecks.
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I think they actually mean ‘ Nationals Local Water using a bucket and a well, plan’.
The plan is ‘not Simeon’s problem’. Oh but despite wanking on about democracy they will tell councils how to spend rate payer money if they don’t like the councils forecast.
Rubbish
You were going to pay a separate water bill to the authority rather than council
The cost would have been very similar
This way we keep control
Agree Anne .The labour plan was a backdoor method of giving water control to Maori whomwould then support Labour in other plans for state control . At some stage they got cold feet and left Mahuta out to dry and she lost her seat. Maori should have a seat at the table but they need to be voted in not forced in
Well that’s one conspiracy theory Trevor, got any more?
What we do know is what is taking place, massive water rate hikes under this Government, here, now!
What utter bollocks Trevor. What was “back door” about it? There is also nothing back door about the likes of Hoggard either. He wants to be able to pollute with impunity and that includes water catchments. The more fragmentation the better. That tosser needs to relieve himself on one of those electric fences he’s probably so fond of.
Fuck up Trevor. You are a gronk. Maori wasn’t back dooring they was acting as a signatory. If anything Maori was backdooring below market rate loans fuck head.
You have a way with words Sam you show your skill.
Gee Trevor why do you continue to make shit up many on thiis site have presented evidence supporting their arguments but you and bob the knob first and Anne spew nosense with no evidence but hearsay exactly what your government is doing. Maori have water rights we aren’t the ones selling our water and we aren’t the ones using all the water. Farmers use most of our water and they also pollute it. If we did a water audit who would come out on top, not us, not the average household who are gonna pay due to you dummies voting for those incompetent clowns fucking our country up.
What does very similar mean Anne?
3 Waters was a way for councils to break there own lending rules. Councils aren’t allowed to borrow from the government because government lending rates are to low for your smooth ass forehead.
Right on Anne.
If you are connected to the pipe, water or sewer, you were always going to pay!
Regardless who controlled, the Maoris, the Council, some quasi corporate like water care or some other entity.
There is no free ride here, we had that as councils spent on vanity projects instead of the pipes. Now the reality of that failure to maintain the pipes is upon us!
Again who said anything about “free” or a free ride?
May be misguided people that vote for a party that says we won’t tax you more but then promptly put up fees and and other costs to ensure you end up with less money anyway think it’s a choice of free or not.
Strangely Labour never mentioned the cost of their massive new 3 water bureaucracy or the specter of iwi charging royalties which the legislature allowed for.
None with a half a brain cell thought 3 waters wasn’t going to be hugely expensive.
Yet we will never know KCCO, so as assumption is the mother of all fuck ups, you are the biggest assumption of all.
Right, and it will cost nothing if the councils do it. FFS.
No, the cost would have been lower because councils pay greater interest for taking on debt than a dental government water authority would. The water authority would also have lower costs due to economies of scale.
No, the cost would have been lower because councils pay greater interest for taking on debt than a dental government water authority would. The water authority would also have lower costs due to economies of scale.
Really. Its not economy scale, your talking about the centralization decentralization ‘process’ merry go round. Politicians, bureaucrats and consultants make work for themselves by centralising decentralising recentralising etc every generation or so. The central government could guarantee, local government debentures to ensure the interest paid is minimised.
Two questions. Who the hell is “we”? And how do “we” have any damn control over water and water prices?
Guerilla you are on to it.
WE have no control. If you are connected to the pipe you will pay what ever the outfit in charge decides to charge you.
If not paid by “those connected” then by who?
Exactly my point.
NActFirsts plans (and paybacks) is always about privatisation and profits to their donors ,,,,water is no exception and they see it as a commodity to make profits from.
Privitisation has been a disaster in AoNz with a history of high price increases (electricity), Govt bail-outs, (air nz, nz rail etc), price gouging, poor managementb and reduced services.
The present failing state of water infrastructure has been the result of short term right wing local govt promising low rates ( much like tax cuts) and now the bill is due for this failure to maintain and invest in essential council services ….
Typically under National we will end up paying more while receiving less ,,,, Profit is a cost as the Usa’s health system clearly shows …. “Despite having the most expensive health care system, the United States ranks last overall compared with six other industrialized countries—Australia, Canada, Germany, the Netherlands, New Zealand, and the United Kingdom—on measures of quality, efficiency, access to care, equity, and the ability to lead long, healthy, and productive lives, according to a new Commonwealth Fund report. While there is room for improvement in every country, the U.S. stands out for not getting good value for its health care dollars: it spent $7,290 per capita on health care in 2007 but ranks last among seven countries. The Netherlands, which spent $3,837 per capita on health care that year, ranks first.”
Act and National would have us believe that the ‘for profit/less government way is better …. the greedy idiots.
Indeed, B Awakesky
Isn’t it more to do with the fact that Auckland council is in so much debt already?
The proposed 5 Waters model was a disaster with a deliberately opaque governance structure.
Put aside the schadenfreude and look at Auckland Council as a totality – it’s broken, not fit for purpose and drowning in debt.
Local government has long been a dumping ground for failed politicians and jumped up clipboard wielding busybodies, none of whom seem to have a clue about running a town or city.
This has led to bad decisions being made year after year and now we’re paying the price – fucking boomers once again taking a shit on the next generations.
That’s why the pipes are crumbling in the ground and the zoning is spastic. It’s also why the suburbs closest to the CBD are full of large homes set amongst leafy gardens where really there should be medium to high density housing and the outer suburbs should have the big houses. Instead Auckland Council has zoned public transport deserts like Mt Wellington or Ōtāhuhu to have higher density housing with stuff all oversight which has seen rows of slum apartments banged up on the cheap doing absolutely nothing to address the housing crisis.
But that’s okay as the Boomers don’t ever see it, go near it and best of all they get smugly virtue signal by driving their EV from Remuera to Parnell whilst complaining about their awfully hard commute.
Auckland should be one of the best cities in the world to live in – yes it’s built in a stupid place but the crushingly terrible lack of foresight and imagination has left it dysfunctional, broke and grim.
All that said, it could be worse. It could be Wellington…
Who says that there was a lack of imagination in Auckland planning. Not at all. But the imagination was applied to their House and Garden thinking of what the planners and PTB wanted along with the Wee Free Men* of ACT dancing to the stars. That’s the sort of imagination that was applied.
Note Terry Pratchett’s Wee Free Men were out to finally do good. Under the dark skies of Nuziland however, in the southern hemisphere upside down, they have turned negative; all that was light has turned black. We need more frying pans!
Armed with only a frying pan and her common sense, young witch-to-be Tiffany Aching must defend her home against the monsters of Fairyland. Luckily she has some very unusual help: the local Nac Mac Feegle – aka the Wee Free Men – a clan of fierce, sheep-stealing, sword-wielding, six-inch-high blue men.
The Wee Free Men – Sir Terry Pratchett
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dont blame us boomers after all we paid for this shit in the 60 and 70s .you dumb fucks have voted like sheep since you started voting ,voting for the fuckers that said they would not increase rates but would build a massive stadium ,the cost of which would have paid for a shit load of new pipes or repairs to old pipes
I don’t care about the high rates rises in whatever place to fix water problems in that place. That is better the Labour –we’ll ALL pay a medium amount more to cover the useless areas eg Wellington. The whole ‘govt were gonna pay under 3,4,5 Waters’ is BS– govt paying = all taxpayers pay for some councils (the loser ones who spent 1/2 million here and there on crossings).
Sorry, could you repeat that in English?
fucken moaners ,I already pay that much in rates and have done so for 5 years .Next year we are getting meters installed so they can charge us more .Our pipes are nearly fucked and we will need 20 million to replace them and there are only a couple of hundred houses here .Then the council spent 360k of 3 waters money, that the last government gave them,on a car park so tourists did not get their shoes dirty when they went for the $8 coffee and the $10 pie at the cafe.The same day they applied water restrictions because they dont have enough storage and a lot of water never gets to the resevior.We could have installed an extra storage tank with that money
fucken moaners ,I already pay that much in rates and have done so for 5 years .Next year we are getting meters installed so they can charge us more .Our pipes are nearly fucked and we will need 20 million to replace them and there are only a couple of hundred houses here .Then the council spent 360k of 3 waters money, that the last government gave them,on a car park so tourists did not get their shoes dirty when they went for the $8 coffee and the $10 pie at the cafe.The same day they applied water restrictions because they dont have enough storage and a lot of water never gets to the resevior.We could have installed an extra storage tank with that money
Local Water Done Well…
Yeah, right.
So Martyn your position is that John Key ineptly gave water rights to Maori? And baha everyone pays a cost for that. And the reasoning is as an ordinary citizen you don’t have a right to water. Cause the Maori King said “we (Maori) own the wai”
Three waters was central government creating state/iwi owned water companies that could easily be internationally privatised in the future versus keeping partial democratic control of local drinking water.
Local councils for the last 150 years in NZ have been able to successfully finance and run safe local drinking water supply. What has changed? Nothing except as you point out unsustainable over-immigration. 140,000 people last year. An almost three percent population increase in a single year. No one except real estate and immigration agents wants this.
There is no reasonable reason that between the central government and local government there can’t be a finance arrangement for water infrastructure projects to be advantaged by the low interest rates the central government can achieve or simple money printing for infrastructure.
Or to put it another way, in a much shorter version:
” I fucking told you so, dumbarses.”
Alternatively:
“Chickens home to roost – hahahaha”
some of us above need to read the legislation .At no time did labour say it would be free .As was pointed out the cost would be 180 billion.They were attempting to keep the cost managable by arranging cheap money at rates that councils can now not access .Also by having 10 instead of the current 67 buyers of materials and services the cost would be lower .
Because this was a great plan National knew they had to scupper it any way they could so their mates could rape us all .Hence they invented the racist ploy of claiming Maori were getting ownership of water ,which as we all know was a blatant lie .But the dumb arse voters chose to vote for a lie .
Red kneckery is alive and well in NZ and you are about to pay the price