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  1. This is shameful. NZ now has a very bad reputation in some places overseas and it is well deserved.
    9 years of treating immigration as a business under a business oriented ministry has produced just this result.
    The promises made by Labour are simply not enough to fix the situation.

    1. It is totally horrific and shameful exploitation – living on temporary visas with no clear view of outcomes is massively stressful for all involved, and God knows how it affects the children, but affect them it will.

      The Pacifica people who do the hard graft in unattractive jobs not only come from under-developed countries, but they come from the countries which today Mike Hosking and the Young Nats have been criticising PM Jacinda Adern, for providing aid to. What is wrong with Hosking and the Young Nats ? Why do the rich squeal like slaughterhouse pigs at needy people being given a helping hand ?

      If they want to hate the down-trodden that’s their ugly little business, but broadcasting it is socially unhelpful, especially when it is done to score utterly pathetic political points and achieves nothing.

      1. AND the title or headline above should read ‘Action is needed NOW…’, not ‘no’, I suppose.

  2. I don’t agree that some of those that have been here for years can’t be sent back we only have to look at what our Aussie mates are doing sending back NZers who have lived most of there lives in Australia. I think some should be allowed to stay depending on there circumstances.
    I noticed we at quick to sent PI home (deport them) the same should happen to others.
    What about the ones that have told porkies to get here and ones that have failed to declare certain things which is just as bad as lying.
    The pension is one area that needs to be sorted and abuse of our public health/hospital systems particularly when I see our Maori and PI whanau being medically neglected. Also temporary means temporary.

  3. Horrors…imagine the fate of Labours beloved ‘Recognised Seasonal Employer’ scheme if these loyal workers were to actually move to NZ permanently and have to support themselves and their families on orchard/vineyard workers wages!

    Suddenly a bin rate for picking that hasn’t increased in over 25 years, despite the higher standard of fruit required, and a minimum wage that doesn’t take into account rain days, and stuffing workers into motel rooms and shipping containers …it all might start looking a bit dodgy..

  4. The PROBLEM STARTED WHEN
    NEW ZEALAND fell into “Globalisation” , and began OPENING it’s Borders…
    to…… MASS immigration.

    M A S S IMMIGRATION =TREASON. ..( =BETRAYAL by Govt)

    see LOGICAL Explanation below >>

    ITS the SAME THING,
    if you invite outside Guests to stay with your Family, who you can’t afford to feed & accomodate , but still do so,… at the expense of YOUR OWN FAMILY!

    THUS = an act of betrayal.

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    THE ANSWER TO YOUR POST, is that YOU APPEAR TO BE MORE CONCERNED WITH UNWANTED (=UN -ASKED FOR BY NZ PUBLIC ,.. Outsiders.

    WHILST NZ OWN citizens ARE by TENS of THOUSANDS , now HOMELESS & living in CARS.

    DID
    the NZ PUBLIC EVER GET ASKED ???

    -IF…
    I F we NEEDED/ WANTED
    60 THOUSAND IMMIGRANTS from 3rd world EVERY YEAR, for past many years?? TAKING JOBS… or being accommodated by NZ”Welfare”

    ************

    I DO NOT BELIEVE in welcoming thousands of others TO THE DETRIMENT of OWN FAMILY .
    In your family , would YOU sacrifice your own children, to accommodate unnecessary outside guests?.

    ***************

    I DISAGREE with YOUR POST, It is BEYOND what we should be concerned with. IE NZ OWN CITIZENS.

    DISPENSE with Migrant workers..( send back to their own countries)
    =that problem is then solved!

    NOT OUR problem. We got ENOUGH problems of OUR OWN.

    EVERY NATION SHOULD SORT OUT THEIR OWN PROBLEMS. STAY in your OWN frigging country.

    *******************************************
    DO YOU THINK that MASS IMMIGRANT’s coming here plight

    1. Cassie, if the immigrants whom NZ entices here, often under false pretenses, are acting to the detriment of your own family, it would be interesting if you could show how.

      I know my old Ma in her 100’s was wonderfully cared for by mainly Samoan and Filippino rest home staff; the hospital system would further collapse without them; few fruit growers could survive without imported pickers- the industry depends on them.

      Spent my primary school holidays fruit picking down south, and if I was exploited, that’s okay, because I needed the money, but not as much as the people we bring in now with false dreams; we use them, then we dump them, and that’s no way to treat a dog – oops – I mean a man.

    2. Its not an us and them thing.
      You seem to be saying its OK for the NZ govt to allow any old charlatan to misrepresent the situation as an immigration advisor…..not properly monitored.
      OR that the pathetic amount of Labour Inspectors should only manage ‘Kiwi’ jobs.
      If immigrants get exploited, well it’s their own stupid fault for allowing themselves to be bullshitted to by people govt agencies are supposed to monitor AND DIDN’T.
      What’s worse is that MoBIE still encourages any old Tom Dick or Harry to act as an agent and pull a scam till theyre caught…with little consequence. Sham PTEs…sham work schemes…people STILL being bullshitted to by various agents.
      Its true there are immigrants who’ve gained PR who are exploiting immigrants. REMOVE that PR from those doing so instead of the wet bus tickets being doled out at the moment

  5. people with business interests in education and labour importation work at MBIE.

    So do foreign diplomats.

    So do people awarded orders of merit by the government.

    So do people who sit on boards like the ASEAN biz council.

    AZEANZ LINK, etc etc

    1. Yep… we know they do.
      There are MoBIE employees with exceptionally close relationships to immigration ‘specialists’ who have ‘irons in a number of fires’ (financial and other interests).

      What is bad is that the whole ayatem is a sham.
      What is good is that there are now so many that have been rorted who are on record.
      I’m no lawyer but I know there are mechanisms for some sort if review. The longer that is coming the worse it’ll get ( and probably the more expensive it’ll get)

  6. I think it is a scam and migrant workers are exploited during the process (often by other migrants however) but it needs to be stopped and that means stopping the whole scam.

    When they introduced tertiary fees in the 1980’s it was a huge blow to Kiwis living here, but you could just about survive with part time work and then hopefully get a job afterwards while you waited (often a while) while a job in your chosen field came up. Unfortunately that has now gone with migrant workers taking up so many part time and full time jobs that Kiwis used to have while they looked for a job they trained for.

    There seem to be very few part time jobs available for Kiwi born students, all the jobs are now taken up by permanent or temporary migrants.

    The reason that migrants are prefered is that many low wage employeer’s are operating scams such as underpaying people, having poor conditions and overworking people or in some cases making the migrant pay the employer $20,000 for the job or just being paid $2 p/h. Numerous cases have been found of exploitation and it’s just the tip of the iceberg.

    I don’t blame the migrants (apart from the employers who exploit) but to let it continue unabated is leading to our low wage culture and unemployed youth.

    If migrants hate the job so much in the fast food industry, then clearly once they get residency they will leave and therefore the whole point of them getting residency has gone as they leave the so called skilled industry.

    Kiwis no longer have access to part time work so when they do enter the work force they are unprepared for simple things like punctuality, doing mundane jobs and being paid little for it. etc etc. Therefore Kiwis are not gaining valuable skills about working that only working part time can prepared them for.

    Wages should be at $70,000 or above for any migrant job. They should be above the need for any taxpayer subsidy for wages such as WFF, accomodation or community services card. This should be obvious!

    Also any migrant should have their tax affairs audited at least 3 times in a decade (not by someone who takes bribes aka drivers licensing for the privilege) and that way they can make sure they understand the NZ tax system to pay taxes and are not having to ‘pay back’ the money to their employer.

    The government has allowed a counter culture to build up of mass exploitation and bribes aka drivers licensing, tax fraud and illegal residents.

    It’s time to stop it.

    This not only helps Kiwis, but also the migrants who came to NZ to escape bribery, corruption, exploitation and pollution. You would hope they don’t want NZ to turn into copies of the country they are migrating from as I certainly don’t want NZ to go the same way (which sadly it is going as our government turns a blind eye to the scams).

    1. Of course it’s a scam and we should be outraged that the MBIE either won’t, or can’t do its job properly, and quit blaming the exploited who usually come here in good faith, work very hard, and often, literally, for nothing.

      Further, some Asian families make huge sacrifices to send their students and others here, and whole families have been wrecked because of our shoddy systems and dishonesty and complacency and stupidity and selfishness and greed.

      NZ’ers have traditionally been hard workers – no trouble getting jobs eg in the UK, because of our good work ethic. That our young men are useless layabouts is disproved by our past history; this is a constructed myth emanating from the recently dumped National government, for its own purposes, including the bringing in of offshore workers to keep wages down, while blithely ignoring or denying the effects on our infrastructure, while irresponsibly creating a massive social deficit – and disadvantaging the tangata whenua. Deliberately.

      1. Yes, but if the Asian families are sending their kids here to get residency not a degree or third rate diploma at our ‘quality’ educational institutes then that’s a scam!

        Close the educational scam and allow NZ to produce quality tertiary education in our tertiary sector only – NO – residency and perks of extra years living here to find the ‘job’.

        1. Agreed it is a scam. Shut down the scammers and you not only reduce immigration but you prevent exploiration.
          Some families are rorted upwards of $30kNZ, WHICH where I am currently is enough to build a modest, but warm dry house.
          Some of the exploited are also trapped, encouraged to stay, or stay illegally in order to try and pay back loans or mortgages for shitty 3rd rate education. In many cases its a big part of their adult life making it difficult for them to start again when they do return home.
          Others are deported and return to heavy debt.
          NZ has allowed them to be lied to and royally ripped off by failures of state agencies.
          Shit for Kiwi workforce and even shittier for the exploited immigrant.
          I’ve yet to see this new government to even acknowledge the failings of govt agencies tho’ I live in hope.

  7. “In the six years to 2017, there were 11,000 cases of migrant exploitation reported to the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment (MBIE). Of these only 5700 were investigated and 15o prosecuted. The chances of getting caught and prosecuted for migrant exploitation are infinitesimally small. Exploitative and abusive employers just laugh all the way to the bank.”

    Well, Mike, that may be so in your view, when it comes to migrant exploitation, what would you tell complainants to the Health and Disability Commissioner, who get nowhere, as that Commissioner usually only ‘investigates’ between 2 and maybe a maximum of nine percent of ALL complaints, of which fewer are upheld, and yet fewer ever have any action taken upon a complaint.

    https://www.nzma.org.nz/journal/read-the-journal/all-issues/2010-2019/2013/vol-126-no-1369/letter-mclennan

    Their Annual Reports reveal the facts, and although some slight improvements appear to have been made over recent years, there are serious concerns about the HDC not acting as a true watchdog, and also about the HPDT:
    http://www.nzlii.org/nz/journals/VUWLawRw/2015/49.pdf

    https://nzhealthcarefraud.wordpress.com/home/open-letter-human-rights-complaint/

    So you may lament the ‘low’ numbers of immigration exploitation cases being looked at, perhaps reflect on what complainants to the HDC may feel like.

  8. Maybe this is all the result of the pressures of ‘globalisation’, ‘free trade’ and so forth. New Zealand competes with other similar countries, where labour is much cheaper than here, that is where agriculture plays an important role in production and exports of products.

    Which other Southern Hemisphere countries are there, producing fruits and so at the same season? For instance South Africa, Chile, Argentina, perhaps Uruguay, Australia is the only country more comparable to us.

    Most these countries have a pool of cheap labour, also often migrants from even poorer neighbouring countries, used to do the hard seasonal work. It is the low pay that allows fruit growers, wine producers and farmers to produce at ‘competitive’ prices, and to export, e.g. to the Northern Hemisphere, where most consumers live, and where they love to have products produced here, that they can only produce during their summer.

    And with rest homes, the hospitality sector, and parts of the health sector, even supermarket retail, most New Zealanders prefer to work in better paid and more attractive jobs. So they employ new migrants, temporary visa holders and so forth.

    So we have what we have, the government providing for this kind of migrant employment scheme, also part of students coming here and being allowed to study. Some are sold the “Kiwi Dream” of getting PR and making their fortunes here.

    What New Zealanders need to ask themselves, do they want immigration in the numbers we have. I ask, do we need to have 40 thousand or more getting PR each year? When there is less outflow to Australia and other places, why still allow so many to come here and get permanent residence, as skilled migrants or whatever kinds of immigrants?

    If we have long term immigration gains at the numbers we have had the last few years, even if this would reduce to 40 thousand a year, that means nearly half a million new residents in ten years, it means 4 million new residents in a century.

    New Zealanders need to look at their society and economy, and make some hard decisions, this continued immigration is making this country increasingly unsustainable, one day we may have to IMPORT food to feed the population, believe it or not.

    If paid a fair and liveable wage, and if those earning well paid more tax in a fairer progressively taxed system, we could all get on well enough, and would perhaps have enough people do all those jobs, and also be more productive. Just a thought, I would offer.

    1. Well said, Marc. Yes, we do indeed need that dialogue, and hopefully the coalition govt will be addressing it properly and not continue with the hitherto slap dash processes. Ideally we should be able to examine and address this country’s needs, and do so without treating anybody at all badly – if there is the political will.

  9. And what ‘great’ jobs are there, in the ‘booming economy’ here in NZ Inc, WOW, truck drivers paid $18 per hour, shuttle drivers $16 an hour, stock pickers and customer service reps paid around $16 per hour BEFORE TAX, here in Auckland, for jobs near our ‘great’ International Airport, serving as tourism and freight services hub:
    https://nz.indeed.com/jobs?q=Airport&l=Mangere%2C+Auckland

    These are some of the ‘skilled jobs’ that people are offered, for heaven’s sake.

    Who the hell can live off such incomes, in AUCKLAND, I ask?

    Is that what employers get away with, even under this ‘new’ government? Do we need immigrants for this, doing law wage jobs???

    1. +1000 MARC – we are spiralling to the bottom of the barrel. The only reason migrants take the jobs at $18 p/h is to get residency – then they leave for a better job like everyone else and if they can’t get one, then they get the dole, working for families, free health care, super etc etc.

      No worries for the industry though, plenty more migrants keen to be employed below liable wages into the scam!

      Our government decided to take the Asian model and get a corrupt, low wage, exploitative culture, with huge inequality.

      They could have gone the Scandinavian way, Skilled German manufacturing, high wages jobs and high worker conditions. Or Norway, Denmark, Finland all with small populations who went high skilled.

      Our dimwits in charge thought low wages to compete with Asia was the future!

      Since that does not work they need to sell off our land and assets and give away free immigration and social services (that local taxpayers have to pay for) along with it then they tell us we are in a rock star economy.

      Then they can’t quite fathom why our schools and hospitals are full while the tax coffers are in decline.

      The rock star economy was on the back of immigration and natural disasters! Both of which spell disaster for the future living conditions of many people in this country.

      We have already gone backwards, from a state house and car to people now living in their car and people’s house now earns more than they do and if you don’t have a house, you’re screwed!

      The economists (suspiciously ex share market types) lament why we are not like the Germans who don’t want to own property when we could give it to them to invest in shares not guaranteed of course – clearly they do not realise that Kiwis have had a succession of idiot government in charge of our future who run up debt and sell as much off of our country that they can get away with, lowers wages and workers conditions because they believe in trickle down exploitation.

      There was a smudge of hope with the new government, but after signing the TPPA , it’s clearly neoliberal business as usual and the trickle down approach.

      Do you want neoliberal business with tax cuts for 2020?

      Or neoliberal business with tax increases for 2020?

      I guess it’s the Green Party if you want any change these days, so I hope they can focus on the bigger picture past “Rare bat on road to recovery’ to a bigger vision of a pristine and prosperous country with much more focus on local sustainability. Some time back, Greens ran a buy NZ made and country of origin campaign, a sign of the times, is that that is probably considered illegal under trades deals now.

      1. Also on SEEK, many jobs in transport and manufacturing only pay $16 to $18, or at the most $20 per hour, or have corresponding ‘salaries’. That is the ‘Brighter Future’ BS NZ Inc has become under National, and we can see little improvement ahead, even under the new government, as business rules and sets the terms:
        https://www.seek.co.nz/jobs-in-manufacturing-transport-logistics/in-All-Auckland

        Working full time in highly demanding jobs for that here in Auckland, that is madness, it gets you NOWHERE.

  10. There’s probably enough instances on record, as well as various admissions by MoBIE officials….numbers of Labour Inspectors, Immig Advisor’s Authority failings, and various other agencies under the aegis of MoBIE for some sort of class action.
    Certainly IWa, unions, a number of legit Immig lawyers have many on record (as do I).
    This is actually a Joyce/Coleman system that’s been working as intendedeen working

    1. Saying that this is a Joyce/Coleman system should not exonerate the odious ringmaster, John Key, whose continued popularity does not reflect well on the calibre of the NZ MSM who have enabled so much of the regression of our once fairly egalitarian society back to Dickensian days, and who do not appear care that many often decent hard-working people struggle day by day to try and keep their heads above water.

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