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  1. Well, how many are ready for serious JELLY until the ATM’s no longer support that bank balance, that you know! you have, and the toilets on the third floor back up for good, and the supermarket automatic doors are closed for days.

    People will get serious about all sorts of things rather quickly in a societal and economic collapse. Hey–yeah, rain water tanks and solar would have been a good idea, Hey, booting Rogernomics would have been a good idea, Hey, getting out of 5 Eyes and developing relations with Cuba and anyone else non imperialist would have been a good idea…etc.

    The problem we have is how to quickly develop a working class socialist strategy versus a “last chance power drive” capitalist one–which enlists the alienated elements of society as the Anti Vaccination campaigners did in aid of a fascist response to keep their circus happening for a bit longer.

    1. Wise. How to collect and grow minds together in practical ways. Don’t put unions in charge for a start. They don’t impress me as thinkers. Know how to do sums but perhaps learned to be calculating instead of calculus etc.

      So perhaps everyone who wants to be on the team could face a page of four or five questions – what would you do in these circumstances? in the immediate, then getting things on a short-term working system then aim at … for long-term? What would be the cost in human upset and how to balance that, monetary – and where would it come from, or instead what would you offer to barter with to another group or entity?
      That sort of thing to get the brain cells working with practicalities not flouncy theories or ‘shoulds’.

      Also I suggest watching Babylon 5 on the small screen. It has problem solving ideas in it I realised when watching the last episodes. Some thugs infiltrated on Babylon 5 small-planet style spaceship and the leader attacks a member of another space race. They request the leader of B5 to let them settle this savage attack their way. They hand the bully a weapon he is not familiar with and subdue him on the basis that bullies like to get others to fight for them, and produce terror in their victims, which they then turn back onto the bully. The latest has the Psycorp about to arrest some mediums who have sought asylum with B5 and the Captain finds a bureaucratic medical reason why they can’t though that is only a temporary few months reprieve.

      But B5’s method is to work with what you have and can do, try to be peaceable but not soppy, handle problems as they arise, as well as can be managed. That’s what we should do. There are lessons in art, if we can see them.

      We have been regarded as a small experimental entity for trying out neo-lib on. That was last century, these are fast-moving times, time for a new experiment – one that we are applying not cruel-eyed financial obsessives. Know our finance system thoroughly, understand it and its forces, and apply it carefully as and where needed,
      make it work for all of us not the few, and understand your adversaries and when to give them what they want, or make a change. Political statesmanship and maneouvring.

    2. ”The problem we have is how to quickly develop a working class socialist strategy versus a “last chance power drive” capitalist one–which enlists the alienated elements of society as the Anti Vaccination campaigners did in aid of a fascist response to keep their circus happening for a bit longer.”

      My problem is the working class in rising-up described as being enlisted by fascism. Which is a joke when they were opposing authoritarian and divisive measures with no justification beyond making people feel more comfortable, as Adern herself said. I wonder if the massive trasnsfer of wealth from the poor to the richest might have given you another clue about whose interests were being served. Maybe the working class know something about being shafted and exploited by manipulative means.
      Have you ever heard of ‘false teaming’? It is a strategy employed by psychopaths. Look it up. Then think about the folksy-wokesy ‘team of the five million’. Does it ever occur to you that life experience might have taught the working class things the pampered poodles have not had dumped on their heads.

      Does your world view allow you to imagine that the dangerous opportunists attending the main protest might have been leeching on the prominence and courage of the working class rather than leading the working class?,

      Or is the idea of the working class not being ignorant sycophants too hard for you to imagine?

      Who is the working class you speak of as developing a strategy….? My guess is you really mean follow a management-class posing as left strategy.

  2. Danyl Mclauchlan essay was a great read, thanks for the link MB. And in the SpinOff of all places!

    “Lasch notes that because the PMC is meritocratic it tends to strip-mine non-elite communities of their best and brightest, elevating them into the cognitive class. So anti-managerial movements tend to be disorganised, incoherent, leaderless and easily captured by bad actors. We’re seeing that all over the world, too. ”

    Exactly. Will there be no more Working Class Heroes?

  3. I have been thinking about this in the context of Martyn’s desire for upping defence spending to 3% of GDP. I’m coming to agree that we need to be able to defend ourselves against likely future aggression – from……..Australia! Perhaps that was also the thinking behind Martyn’s comments.

    1. Well whadda ya think about my idea for bringing in again. Compulsoory Military Training for yioung people, can be entered as young as 15, and be a paid apprenticeship sort of. It was abolished partly because we were over war and regimentation. But we still have both, but regimentation needs to be applied again. Two things in today Nelson ail. IOne of g24 year old guy eggfed on by similarly tragic mates, driving across paddock into a pregnant ewe and killing her of course. And the other of an Italian patriot who chanced a bullet from German Nazis in Rome keeping them on the go with home-made bombs. IPerhaps the dumb killer instinct in young Kiwi men could be controlled, they could learn restraint, and find something to do with their limited hymanity that would be good for all of us. Males to be given the opportunity first. And the training to precede entry into university. Give the males of all kind a taste of achievement at something other than self-advancement of random anarchy.

  4. Yes riddled with pot holes and bald wanna be men who think they are born to lead Reactionary brat.

  5. Yes and Luxon said this morning on RNZ we need to diversify but he hasn’t. He also talked around ram raids and gangs (blaming inflation and Labour) but his governments 501 policy has exacerbated gang problems.

  6. I haven’t driven along dome valley but I regular drive in the Hutt Valley and see state housing being built and replaced by Labour. Unfortunately National sold too many and gentrified many state housing areas, selling many under the auspices of the state housing not being suitable either too small or too big, mongrel mob problems, meth contamination and saying some were earthquake prone. Funny that, as I saw people moving into a block down Petone that were suppose to be earthquake prone and after a quick lick of paint and a bit of a touch up by the new Indian landlords they were occupied.

  7. We’ver always had Sir Humper in the public service ever since I can remember (having jumped in and out of the ps, banking sector, and briefly academia over 40 plus years)
    Danyl absolutely nails what’s happened over the past 30 or so years – the rise of the PMC. Early on, when at Justice, and then Ministry of Works and Development, despite, and even in spite of Sir Humphrey, stuff actually got done.
    Then the rise of the PMC – oozing its way into academia (Guilford et al), the bizzniss whurl and even media.
    Tertiary education schools of pols and public policy had to become schools of gummint, bizzniss and marketing.
    There are, and have been some bloody good public servants over the years – especially the actual worker bees and those that refuse to indulge in the managerialist agenda, but the PMC has a mission to mould and ‘develop’ them into the PMC – or they’re under threat. It’s not necessarily a conscious mission – just learned parrot fashion behaviour.
    I’m pleased to see Danyl mentions MBIE – one of the worst Munstries. It’s a bit rich too for the gNactoids to be criticising any agency which operates under MBIE’s aegis. It was a Joyce and Coleman creation that always was going to be a bugger’s muddle and is working as designed. More fool Labour for not dismantling this absolute fuckup as one of the first things on the 100 day plan. But there ya go. I mean!!!! Smol FFS, and now some decrepit old biddy who has spent the majority of her lifetime learning the PMC ropes. She’s probably got aspirational desires to become the next SSC (oops ‘P’SC).

    So where to now? Waiting for the PMC to collapse under its own weight – which inevitably it has to, is going to be too late.
    Danyl suggests ‘WE’ – that pesky electorate will get pissed off and demand this lot get get thrown out by another version of the same thing.
    I’d prefer to consider which of our groups of electricate representatives (Political Parties) has the greatest potential for change and a purge. Hopefully Labour will get the shock it needs by way of having to grovel for supporting coalition partners. One or two Gweens – those with a bit of life experience; TPM, and even a TOP or two.
    Failing that, Labour will deserve to be pushed into oblivion so that something can be rebuilt from its ashes (in this space, going forward)
    Check out and listen to this morning’s Nine to Noon on RNZ btw on the plight of midwives to see how the PMC operates. There are people that should never again be allowed to hold roles in the public service.

    Btw – I’d be interested to know what you think @snow white.

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