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    1. international idealism is all very fine but what about looking after our own New Zealand workers, Maori and young peoples rights? ..for affordable quality tertiary education, affordable housing and well paying jobs?

      ….not to mention the New Zealand elderly’s right to quality health care that they have paid for in their taxes all their lives?…and the rights of the NZ disabled/mentally impaired for quality health care

          1. L0L ! – Im pretty sure RED BUZZARD meant free as well judging by past postings,…

            And I agree we should be looking after our own first. In actual fact – if we really wanted to go that way – we could slash immigration and greatly boost refugee quotas.

            There’s an awful lot of highly qualified people in that camp as well.

            How can we justify this out of control immigration setting while as Red Buzzard says, our own young people, our own citizens who were born here are not being paid a decent wage , often cant afford education , often cant afford to save for a deposit on a home ?

            How can we justify bringing even more people to exacerbate the problem when we cant even look after our own?

            Where are we going to put everybody ?

            In tree huts in the Waitakere Ranges?

            And why should we feel guilty about taking the issue seriously? Are we that indoctrinated by neo liberal concepts of multiculturalism and political correctness that we are doomed forever to be contemplating our navels?

            Face it – the motives behind this were not altruistic , humanitarian or philanthropic , – it was a deliberate, cynical , calculated policy enacted without mandate by a neo liberal National party almost certainly acting on behalf of groups such as the New Zealand Institute to deliberately drive down wages, provide cheap labour ,weaken Trade Unionism even more and provide massive dividends to foreign owned banks via the housing bubble.

            Not quite such a warm and romantic set of motives cast in soft ambient lighting when you look at it this way , now , … is it.

  1. “with this self-flagellation, the Greens are firmly walking away from working class economic social justice issues and towards middle class values.”

    Not for me.
    This apology from the Greens means I’m now quite likely to vote for them, whereas before the apology I was quite likely to not vote for them.
    Immigrants are working class too. I don’t know why half of the left don’t get this. Pretty simple.
    I want a left party who does not go down the ‘blame immigration’ route that Labour is stumbling down. The Greens’ policies are far better for the working class than Labour’s.

    Labour is the left’s problem, not the Greens.

  2. re-

    “Immigrants are working class too. I don’t know why half of the left don’t get this. Pretty simple.”

    ( what a porky that is!)

    ….many are NOT working class and they are buying up New Zealand working class housing and housing which New Zealand youth can not afford…the new would= be immigrants are also able to afford tertiary education which many New Zealanders can not eg honours and postgrad degrees …so working class I think NOT…more like children of the wealthy

    ( btw can foreigners buy land and housing in China and India?)

    ….maybe the NZ Greens should re-name themselves the new immigrant Chinese Green Party?

    1. I agree with your points and wish Little and Labour ended our privileging of wealthy immigrants, but they’re not. They’re going to stop working class immigrants instead.

      I also agree that we have problems for Kiwis accessing post-grad studies. Again, Labour are doing not much there. Stopping post-grad immigrants won’t do anything – Kiwi students can’t afford to keep studying. Labour’s three years of free tertiary education doesn’t cover this. Labour needs to address existing student debt – a write off is the only solution.

      I’m a leftist so I don’t blame immigrants. I leave that to right-wing opportunists like Winnie Peters

    2. 100% Red Buzzard

      I left the greens in 2001 and they are just another fringe party now. they don’t seem to place the climate and pollution above other issues any more as they appear to not think about where the globe is going with the melting of the arctic poles only just about “social justice” so yes they are more for opening the flood gates to ruin our environment alright.

      More people = pollution.

  3. Well, O K, but should’nt we solve our unemployment, housing and sustainability problems before we blindly increase our population?

    1. Yes, well, I wonder if that’s what Maori said 200 years ago when British boat-people started arriving on these shores.

      Maori can tell us a thing or two about expropriated land by invading economic migrants.

      1. KEJOMU says:

        … ” Well, O K, but should’nt we solve our unemployment, housing and sustainability problems before we blindly increase our population? ” …

        FRANK MACSKASY says:

        … ” Yes, well, I wonder if that’s what Maori said 200 years ago when British boat-people started arriving on these shores.

        Maori can tell us a thing or two about expropriated land by invading economic migrants. ” …

        ……………………………….

        But the Maori pre European didnt really have ‘ unemployment , or problems with their Whare’s , horticulture, fishing and snaring and gathering , Frank…

        One example is one of direct colonization – often by force of arms and various other deceits … the other is a post colonization government under a modern nation state ,… and a govt that is not doing it for any other reason than to garner votes on the peoples sufferings to remain in power.

        Not as brutal – but just as deceitful.

        And by a modern govt that should know better. However, … they are a neo liberal govt, thus it is second nature for them to be subversives.

  4. … ” The Green apology also raises an important point in the immigration debate. By stating the bleeding obvious, which is that it isn’t the immigrants fault for moving here, the Greens put the focus back on the neoliberal Government policy that is at fault, but this is a difficult line for the Greens to walk. ” …

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    And this is the crux of the matter and the two words that cannot be named in NZ’s parliament without causing faux outrage and condemnation of all who do…

    Neo Liberalism.

    The REAL reason why we find ourselves in this ridiculous situation in NZ today.

    It actually isn’t about immigrants at all. It is about the sheer numbers coming in and the fact that we lack the infrastructure , – and we cant even look after our OWN citizens – let alone the excessive numbers of immigrants as we have seen under National.

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    ” … The Democrats embraced neoliberal globalisation because their middle class voter base have the education to transfer their skills employment wise around the world, the domestic working classes who don’t have transferable skills however rebelled to Trump and Brexit. ” …

    ………………………………..

    Exactly. And it is the working classes here in NZ who are feeling the stresses of this neo liberal National govt. And it is also NZ’s working classes who are the ones who are being treated like cattle by the same. People don’t CHOOSE to sleep their family’s in cars and vans in the middle of winter by the way… nor garages , … nor three family’s to a house designed for one.

    Nor do they deliberately choose to not be able to heat their houses or take their children to the doctor when they are ill because they couldn’t afford the rent…

    Nor do they choose to work long hours for unrealistic wages that is less than the costs of living , either…while we are at it…

    Yet here we have this govt quite happily shitting all over the people who ARE citizens.

    Perhaps we should be doing something about our own people before we promise heaven and earth to all and sundry to immigrate here in such large numbers.

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    … ” ignoring the impact of that immigration on the working classes who have to compete for rentals, jobs and public service infrastructure overload. ” …

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    And that’s just it.

    There’s something majorly skew – iff about a country whose PM’s denigrate their own people by calling them ‘ to ‘ drug addled’ to work ‘ in order to justify out of control immigration policy and import cheap labour from overseas… particularly when workplace drug testing produced data that stated otherwise…

    More like a little indulgence in propaganda and deflection away from the real motives going on there , I would say…

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