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  1. Brilliant expose as ever, Frank!

    Now we just have to wait for the inevitable lampooning of Nick Smith as the hopeless, hapless “Minister for the Environment”!!

    One day when NZers ask why we can no longer swim in our rivers and lakes, wee need only point out to them;

    “Because you voted for National and got the government you deserve. Polluted rivers and lakes is the shit-icing on the ‘cake’!!!”

    1. (PRISS, dont mind me while I muscle in and make a whole)

      It’s very interesting the way dairy intensification (add climate science 2) is portrayed in the media. Its portrayed as if there are 2 sides that have to be objective so 50% time for each. One side is reflective of 99% of scientists and the other side is nick smith, anne tolley, paula bennet and so on who are contrarians in the sciences that get equal time with the sciences, so how does any one figure this out? Its interesting to see climate science (not scientists) appear next to nick smith along with the weather report that try and predict if it’s going to rain or not, there is no difference in science here so how does every one figure it out?

      1st of all there are 3 sides not 2. the 1st group is the mainstream scientific consensus and there are 2 groups of denialists, one group of denialists contain nicksmith and fiven equal time, the 2nd group of denialists claim mainstream scientific analysis is no where near grave enough, and i suspect the second group of denialists is the other 1% of mainstream climate consensus and there analysis is far more grave and they are not apart of the debate.

      So whats the ordinary citizen to do? Become a climate scientist? I strongly doubt that, happy to be corrected.

      But the choices in the Original Post are so transparent that the over all climate science consensus say the predictions are grave or the others that say its even worse. You should be able to work out very quickly the probability that nick smith is wrong and science is right.

      It’s not hard to make a decision about all this and you don’t need to be a scientist to figure it all out.

      If you try and think through the cost benefit analysis and suppose nick smith is correct and we tack on solar to milking sheds then you’ve spent some money. But suppose climate science consensus is correct then we won’t be able to swim in our rivers and the human population goes down the drain. The choice is not subtle

  2. Someone email this to Paddy Gower and Duncan Garner.
    Put ‘Kim Dotcom’ in the subject line so they read it.

    1. or…. put Guyon Bromance in the subject field. Dunk will be even more curious and read. And if Dunk’s interested, then by default Peddy Gear won’t be far behind. Peddy’s even rehearsed Dunk’s mannerisms and hand movements (and ego – probably in front of a mirror) as a +hr=e ‘news’ plitkal sage (going forward)

      1. What do we do to get Paul Henry’s attention, a scantily clad woman?

        I know what would get Mike Hoskings’ attention; put “maserati” and “beneficiary” in the subject line. His blood pressure will begin to creep up as he takes in those two words next to each other!

  3. I think Labour should congratulate National on the Predator-free target and on the Swimmable River target.

    They should say that the policies are so good that it might be a good idea to actually try to achieve them. Then explain what is required to genuinely achieve them. Genuinely swimmable. A real step by step plan, properly funded to eliminate predators – including cats-. National came up with the targets because New Zealanders like them. But Kiwis will not forgive someone who pretends to achieve these iconic goals but in reality takes them for idiots. And that is exactly what Smith has done. A little “Blinding with Science,” numerical hully-gully and Bob’s your Uncle.

    I suspect the electorate will not be very forgiving.

    And while on the subject, Little might comment that the $25.00 extra for some families on benefits (that we never hear the end of) was such a good idea that he plans to do it himself if he wins power.

    Twice in the first three years. (But that what those families really need is help getting into well-paid employment, along with a roof over their head).

    Solutions imply both engagement with, and more respect for those people than the sneering English approach that he seems happy to reiterate at every opportunity.

  4. The quality of water is now so low, that Nick Smith is magically shifting the goalposts, to make waterways more swimmable, but less safe to drink, is just Emperor’s-New-Clothes Bullshittery.

    The Minister for Aqua-shite is just ‘muddying the waters’ and embedding “Alternative Facts” into the MSM with 29 weeks, 3 days before the next election.

    Next thing, Bill English’s Alternative Fact will be blaming rampant, unchecked immigration on drug-crazed beneficiaries. Ergo, stoned beneficiaries are causing the housing shortage and freezing out young Kiwis from their first home. People are living in cars because of ‘wasted beneficiaries”. 29 weeks, 3 days before the next election.

    TPPA is still on the table for National, ACT, Maori Party and Peter Dunne. The Alternative Fact is an $81,000 bottle of wine in New York, paid for by Tim Grosser The NZ Taxpayer, was used to promote “closer ties with USA”. Where is Mr Zippy on that squandering of taxpayer money? 29 weeks, 3 days before the next election.

    NZ’s National Party are out-trumping Trump with their nutty brand of Alternative Facts.

    If the National Party’s Alternative Facts are so empirically correct, bring forward the election and test the Alternative Facts out NOW on the voting public.

    Don’t wait 29 weeks, 3 days before the next election. Do it now Bill, before you underpass your last 21% election result.

    1. the quality of our water matches the quality of our politicians running our country

  5. The irony is, continuation of National policies will almost certainly result in rivers being swimmable by 2040 because National policies are predicated on denial of Peak Oil, even though global extraction of conventional oil peaked around 2007 and the extraction rate for unconventional oil is expected to fall off the cliff over the next few years -resulting in compete collapse of the globalised economic system by around 2025 (perhaps before).

    Factor in the abrupt climate change which is underway, and which all politicians assiduously ignore.

    No globalized economic system and no imports of oil from overseas plus and utterly messed up climate system = no dairy sector in NZ (and no tourism) by around 2030 and very likely complete collapse of the populations of all major cities.

    So yeah, no imports of fertiliser, no dairy sector, and population collapse may well result in swimmable rivers by 2040.

    ‘He ducked Ferguson’s question’

    Come on Frank, that’s his job -to duck all difficult questions. Indeed, that is what politics is all about in the modern era: avoiding all critical issues and ducking all difficult questions. Plus churning out platitudes and phony narratives (lies), of course.

    The farce of having criminals and clowns decide the future of the country and the future of entire world will continue as long as the general public can be prevented from realising the truth and as long as oil imports can be acquired.

    ‘Brace for the oil, food and financial crash of 2018

    80% of the world’s oil has peaked, and the resulting oil crunch will flatten the economy’

    https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/brace-for-the-financial-crash-of-2018-b2f81f85686b#.yox15zx5q

    And this

    https://scripps.ucsd.edu/programs/keelingcurve/wp-content/plugins/sio-bluemoon/graphs/co2_800k.png

    of course; 409 ppm atmospheric CO2 in late February, with the annual peak expected late May. And somewhat higher next year, ad infinitum.

      1. Remind me why every one should pay that price? It become a total disgrace. Youre literally paying to be pitched a blatant political agenda forcibly by law. Amazing!

      2. The likely consequences of using energy to convert coal and gas into petrol are:
        1) massively increasing demand for coal and gas and bringing forward their own production peaks
        2) increasing the atmospheric carbon emissions for every litre of petrol we buy (especially with coal)
        3) artificially extending our dangerous dependence on petrol, with the likely result that we miss our opportunity to transition to clean and renewable energy sources while we still have some hope of retaining a livable climate

        1. Oh, don’t get me wrong, I’m NOT condoning it – this will be a possible environmental disaster (given that the Fischer-Tropsch process is hardly clean), but the environment has never gotten in the way of the petroleum industry….
          But the fact is there is enough coal to see through to about 2100 (not sure if that takes into account population growth).

  6. I wish more attention were being paid to mitigating river pollution – the levels we have are not catastrophic to deal with.

    The aptly named Huangpu river in Shanghai and the Han River in Seoul were effectively dead, deoxygenated chiefly by an excess of human waste misdirected by poorly or not regulated pipework.

    Both rivers have recovered significantly, with the Han now swimmable, and the Huangpu considerably less toxic and some tributaries are alive once more. A combination of preventing organic waste inputs and aeration rapidly neutralises the problematic material.

    Not sure how this plays out with e coli, but I suspect that clear oxygenated water is not a culture medium for them, so dealing with the suspended organics accelerates the natural attrition. A few wind or current driven aerators would not go amiss.

  7. And what will the $43.5m a year actually be spent on? What work will be done? What legislation and regulation will be put in place? What monitoring and mitigation? What surveys of current freshwater life to establish baselines?

    Who will conduct the research? Will it require a contest to gain funding? Will it be safe to develop a career in water care, free from restructuring and destruction? Do we still have the knowledge and skills here? Will we develop them?

    Who will manage the money? How easy will it be to ring-fence to stop it leaking into Special Projects and ‘internationally appropriate remuneration’? Will it be upwardly adjusted to cover loss from inflation?

    And which party will decide that ‘because of the current economic downturn we will wait for better times’?

    (PS 1 billion with nine zeroes (US measure) isn’t much spread over that time frame. 1 billion with 12 zeroes (UK measure) is utterly unbelievable from any party.)

  8. The picture of the cow in the title caption just proved our rivers are wade-able!

    1. Indeed, Bert.

      I hadn’t realised that when Nick Smith & Co were promising swimmable/wadeable rivers, they weren’t specifically promising swimmable/wadeable by Humans (or any other member of the Primate Family).

      I stand corrected.

      1. But then again Frank,
        I came to the conclusion some time ago that in fact National are the Toxic algal bloom of our country.
        We need to strive to make them unelect-able come September.

  9. If we have another National government our rivers will probably reach “able to be observed from a distance while covering your face” levels. It’s something everyone in the National party can aspire to. It’s probably in line with some country somewhere.
    However, hopefully after the election we won’t be forced to swim in any more of the Minister’s bulls’ shit.

  10. I saw a book the other day that was entitled ‘Stupid jokes for smart kids’ – it reminded me of Smith’s water fiasco for some reason.

  11. How did all this happen to our clean, green country? Simple, the people allowed it to happen. Especially when tempted with tax-cuts and hyperinflated property values. We get the country we deserve.

    New Zealanders are called “sheep” by our Australian cousins for damned good reason.

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