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  1. If it’s Muller and Kaye will this signal the political end of Nick Smith and Gerry Brownlee? Or are their heads so buried in the trough, they’re there for life?

  2. Labour’s talent pool is a big concern.

    Quite rightly mentioned in that puddle is the fool Twyford who on virtually every promise in transport has not just failed but absolutely not delivered anything.

    And let’s not mention housing. Has anyone ever so completely stuffed up a portfolio as much as that guy has?

    1. So the the discussion topic is on National, Xray. What are your thoughts on Bridges and National?

      1. Bridges? Leave the relentlessly negative man right where he is.

        Sorry, it’s just the mere mention of Phil bloody Twyford and the vast wasted opportunities he represents, it just gets me going.

  3. Jacinda has shown a remarkable capacity to lead. The pity is, she is leading in completely the wrong direction, towards economic and environmental meltdown. All done with a smile.

    The good news for Jacinda is that practically every country in the world is doing worse than NZ, with many about to join the US in the basket-case category.

    https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/ng-interactive/2020/may/20/coronavirus-cases-and-deaths-over-time-how-countries-compare-around-the-world

    As for National, well yes, they are willing and able to lead NZ to faster economic, social and environmental collapse, and have a quite a lot of supporters clamoring for those outcomes

      1. Covid-19 has distracted us from the ongoing nightmare of runaway climate change. Just because almost nobody is looking at it any more doesn’t mean it has stopped. The economic consequences of environmental upheaval will be massive. The evidence is everywhere and has been for a long time. We need major systemic change, but this government will not go there.

    1. Give Ardern some credit. here we are on a site discussing politics and there’s been a bit of a problem in the country lately. The doomsayers had the country down the tubes in about 2 minutes without English and Joyce. The country was going to be dog tucker or dog shit in very short order. Remember that?

      Expect Steven Joyce to be resurrected after he’s dug his way out of some multi billion dollar black so he can sell everyone a trillion dollar hole.

      If we’re going to have action replays maybe while he’s a Minister, Winston can get some info passed to him about some sensitive Govt dept held private information before then election. There must be some opposition member who has information on file that has the same degree of likelihood of being of political embarrassment as was considered to be the case in the Peters’ situation.

  4. “New Zealanders are clearly in no mood for a “dirty little street-fighter” and, if the polls are any indication, resent strongly Bridges’ implication that they are. To be at all competitive with Labour, National needs a radical change of faces. Beating Jacinda’s “Kindness” will require of the Right a credible presentation of “Kindness+”.

    National lost any “Kindness” years mago infact I cant recall since ‘Rob Muldoon’ time as a champion for the ‘the ordinary bloke’ with his “light socialist” tinge was the last leader to emerge in my memory.
    Robert Muldoon | NZHistory, New Zealand history online
    https://nzhistory.govt.nz/people/robert-muldoon
    Rob Muldoon was one of our most polarising PMs. To supporters he was the voice of ‘the ordinary bloke’; to critics he was a dictatorial bully. After wartime service, Muldoon became an accountant. He entered Parliament in 1960 and became minister of finance seven years later, acquiring the nickname ‘Piggy

    1. The pig was an accountant during his wartime service as well. An NCO in the Quartermaster’s division. All he really had going was a willingness to incite division if he believed he could profit politically. His 1980 hate the caring Kiwis bought Aotearoa closer to civil war than it has been before or since.
      I do owe the pig a debt. One Saturday night in late 1975 I was in the Windsor Castle when the election result came in. I managed to rouse my companions sufficiently from their nods to tell them. “That’s it, I’m out of here, I cannot live in any joint run by a pig. Their bleary eyed reaction was mostly nonplussed, I bolted in Jan ’76 settled in in time to enjoy the summer of punk or wtf, within 18 months every one of them had left Aotearoa too.
      In a nutshell, human incapacity to understand until they are caught in a squirrel grip, in the vice, largely of their own making. If the pig hadn’t made me do it I may never have enjoyed the stimulation of foreign cultures’ alternative ways of skinning the cat.

      1. Spot on.
        The Windsor Castle was my home albeit a decade or so after you.
        People are hamsters where the wheel is spinning but the hamster is brain dead.

  5. The Nats do not have the balls to put up a leader who might have a chance of contesting Jacinda Ardern ie Nikki Kaye, because they are so entrenched with these macho males. And I say that as a Labour voter.

    1. Key, English, and Bridges are ‘macho’ you reckon? Give it a rest. They are all blouses.

    2. And I feel very sorry for Kaye. Is there no support for her to be able to stand up and do it?

  6. The togetherness is a factor for sure.
    It shone through Bridges tactices and the press headlines sympathetic to it.

  7. Ms Airhead is going to have to really screw up bigtime to lose this one. She may even get to govern free of NZF or the Greens but that is unlikely as the natz will push back during the campaign ably supported by established media (Hiya TVNZ, NZH) no matter which natz pol ends holding the short straw.
    Maybe on his Todd is planning on losing but wants to make his mark now so that when the Natz lose he has a profile to confront Collins. He is definitely a player, but so is Judith who could swing her handful of caucus votes behind him this time to ensure he wins this contest & is deemed irrelevant for the next one, just after the election.

    If the Greens & NZF both get over 5% in the GE there will be considerable interest to see which of the two Jacinda & co select to join them in govt.
    If it is based on ideology, the greens should romp home. Of course there is almost no chance of that, given the ratio of talent free neolibs, to politically astute neolibs in the labour caucus.
    They are far from the sharpest knives in the drawer but they got this far using a keen sense of self preservation.
    In that case the decision will not be ideological, it will be based on who they would least like to face on the cross or opposition benches. That is easy; NZF with or without Winnie will terrify those ersatz lefty no-hopers far more than “Jimmy & the wets” ever could.

    1. “Ms Airhead” is a gratuitous insult and totally wrong. Please at least have the balls to debate the issues, with evidence.

  8. I don’t think National should ditch Bridges as leader. It’s going to be very difficult to win the election from here and I don’t think Muller is going to change that.

    Having said that… while it’s easy to admire Jacinda’s performance, Ashley Bloomfield’s and the Ministry of Health and NZ societies “all in it togetherness”. We have done magnificently. But… this is a staggeringly incompetent government… and I’d rather they weren’t in charge of anything to do with the economy over the next two years. I suspect plenty of other people will come to the same conclusion.

    1. Seems like plenty of people have come to the conclusion they DO want this staggeringly competent government in charge of the economy judging by the latest polls. National have now got the Pale, Stale, Male feel about them. Not one of them have leadership qualities, to govern a country. They need a complete overhaul and axing Bridges should only be the start.

    2. national are yesterdays fush and chup wrapper and Id rather have the competent Adern Govt in charge than anyone from the nazi party.

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