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  1. “New Zealand has also been marketing itself as a migrant destination to recruit hundreds of thousands of people to come here to study and work each year.

    Having a chance to transition to a permanent residency is a key to attracting that pool of labour. Billions of dollars a year is being taken off students in fees and they are a source of cheap labour while they are here. Often they work unskilled or semi-skilled jobs.

    After completing a year-long course the student can get a job search visa for a year then a two-year work visa. Often the work can at best described as semi-skilled.

    The skilled worker category makes up around nearly 30,000 or 60% of the total residence visas in 2015/66 with the remainder being family reunification and some humanitarian categories.

    Half of this number, in turn, went to former students. That was around 15,000 in 2015/16.”

    Sound like a huge immigration scam or Ponzi scheme to me, where many have the fingers in the pie, from tertiary and other education providers to homestay providers, to Immigration NZ earning lots of fees for the government, to consultants here and overseas, earning their fees, to hopeful or desperate trying to get in and get permanent residency, to landlords letting flats and rooms for accommodation, to employers of course, having a large pool of very “willing” and compromised workers, who compete for jobs, even working for less than the minimum wage.

    Add also the legal fraternity, able to earn from disputes, from disputed Immigration NZ decisions, from their clients, being either overseas students, new migrants and also employers here, facing allegations, charges and claims.

    The government as a whole, last not least, can boast about “economic growth”, which on a per capita basis is non existing, but as so many have vested interests, also real estate and letting agents, they all continue participating in, and supporting this huge scan, to keep it going.

    Once the bubble bursts, they will all suffer, so it is like addiction, keep up the habit and deny the inevitable end of the ride, the withdrawal and painful “recovery”.

  2. Figures out today, about 70k net migration gain up til Sept. 2016, show us that overall little will change.

  3. ”Whatever they do you can be sure they will keep on bringing in students and workers on temporary visas for their big business mates to use and abuse.”

    No doubt they will. But lets make one thing perfectly clear before we all get a guilt complex about it.

    We never asked for all these immigrants to come here . We were never consulted about about the massive numbers being allowed in , and this govt had no mandate whatsoever from the voters to even consider those huge amounts.

    And I and many many others are frankly sick and tired of having the neo liberal ‘guilts’ put on us every time this subject about immigrants comes up.

    The only reason these neo liberal moralists have been so busy expounding the saintly virtues of being ‘ tolerant’ and discussing in rosy glowing terms that multiculturalism adds ‘colour’ and ‘diversity ‘ and that ‘we cant do without them’ is to enable continued downwards pressure on wages , to help suppress unions ( most immigrants wouldn’t dare speak out or approach a union , – which is a shame because they need union protection as well ) and provide a cheap pool of labour at the expense of many of our young people.

    Despicable.

    This business about ‘ we need them ‘,

    Since when?

    Ill tell you since when.

    Since 1984 and Roger Douglas, that’s when.

    When Douglas and Richardson slashed welfare and when the original Employments Contract Act was drawn up , that’s bloody when !!!

    You quote figures of when mass numbers left New Zealand in droves when neo liberal policy became entrenched in this country. And that’s WHY they went to Australia in those droves – to avoid becoming broken ass poor work slaves, that’s when and that’s why as well !!! .

    And our young med students and professionals and tradespeople left for Australia , Canada, England and the USA because they were so saddled down with massive student debts and because wages here are so appallingly bad as well as conditions , that’s when.

    What was the last count living more or less permanently in Australia?… 600,000 ?!!?

    600,000 Kiwis in Australia !!!

    Ever wondered where many of the people who would have voted Labour went?… that’s right – pissed off to Australia because neo liberal Labour was as bad as neo liberal National !!!

    And neo liberal apologists tried to justify that exodus by telling us bullshit such as we need more migrant skilled workers!!! – after we just kicked our New Zealand students and skilled workers in the nuts and caused them to leave these shores forever , for crying out loud !!!

    Oh , but the devil is in the detail , isnt it,… because a second good reason for the neo liberal planners was that if enough immigrants were allowed to pour in , – and ideally from country’s that have poor labour records to begin with , – that could help create competition among NZ citizens and immigrants and keep those wages right down low.

    Small wonder that both John Key and Bill Double Dipper English called NZ workers ‘ drug addled’ ‘ lazy ‘ ‘ hopeless’ – what an amazing thing to come from the mouths of elected govt officials about their own people!!!

    Flabbergasting !!!

    I’m afraid I haven’t got much sympathy left for those who took the opportunity to come here and dipped out. The same applies to Kiwis in other country’s , – we aren’t always shown great favors just because we happen to be New Zealanders , – look at China,… can we waltz over there and set up a home , buy land , bring over our family’s and have our elderly parents go on the pension scheme?… not on your bloody Nelly , we cant !!!

    Every country has a right and an obligation to look after the best interests of its people- no one else will. .- why should we be any different?… are we the ones to be singled out to be the global soft touches?

    Perhaps a compromise could be made and some form of reimbursement made. With some of that coming from the agents who got them here.

    And another thing : this boohoo sob story about these private education providers. They only exist because of the neo liberal deregulated market that created these conditions in the first place , – their not anything special , – if anything they are little more than capitalistic parasite organizations.

    Maybe we should be looking at a more sustainable and productive industry that churns out a product for export , huh ?

    So I wouldn’t get too carried away with that revenue that’s lost if immigrant numbers track downwards , – it was a fabricated artificial industry created out of the rubble of real jobs that were lost over the last 32 years of neo liberal subversion.

    There was a time when we as a nation were proud of the Kiwi can – do No 8 wire mentality . We contributed to the world in countless innovations, garage shed and backyard inventions, earth and Ag sciences , Women’s suffragette movement and the vote , and even showed the world how to split the bloody Atom !!!

    Who the bloody hell were these neo liberal arseholes to start saying ‘ we need’ ‘skilled’ workers, we need more ‘innovative business skills’ ??? – if it wasn’t for those neo liberal arsewipes we wouldn’t have been in this situation in the first place and we wouldn’t even be needing to have this conversation.

  4. This crappy Government act with stealth when they want to move changes but this is truly ludicrous.

  5. so, as a reformed chef, 25 years experience, from small, busy rural cafe to top end restaurant dining, including starting, running then selling a restaurant bar, what would be a reasonable wage expectation.

    would a wage for unsocial, stressful hours, the success or otherwise resting on your shoulders (essentially the key role in a hospitality business), likely to get near the $35+ an hour?

    surely in this global market, the wages should reflect skills, experience and rarity of the commodity.

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