6yr old shooting highlights the gun fetish culture we don’t want in NZ yet ACT represents
My God.
Abby Zwerner: Six-year-old who shot his teacher used mother’s gun
A six-year-old child used his mother’s legally purchased handgun to shoot his teacher at a US school, police said.
In a news conference on Monday, police in Virginia said the child brought the pistol to school in his backpack.
The child intentionally shot his teacher, Abigail ‘Abby’ Zwerner, during class on Friday. Police said she managed to escort her students to safety before calling for help for herself.
What can one actually say?
A 6 year old with the insane toxic entitlement gun fetish that infects so many Americans seems to embody all that is wrong and obscene about its cultural dominance.
We never want the gun fetishists to incubate that type of culture here in NZ, yet ACT represents that very electorate and I fear for their desire to repeal the Gun legislation that banned the machine guns the Christchurch Terrorist used from sale in NZ.
This is the ACT Party position in their own words…
ACT’s priority is to repeal this year’s Arms Legislation Act, including the threat of a firearm register, then set about making the world’s best firearm laws that balance public safety, firearms control, and freedom. We would introduce another Bill that repeals the Arms Act 1983 – and all subsequent amendments – after the Royal Commission reports back. The new law will be delivered in the next parliamentary term and will be the envy of the world.
…there are plenty of problems with our gun laws, but repealing the last gun ban is infantile and dangerous.
Let’s be clear, I grew up on a farm, my bedroom was next to a home kill abattoir, I am well versed in the importance of guns as tools for Farmers and Hunters.
I have no beef with those communities and support their legitimate gun ownership however let’s not play the sausage here folks, the guns banned are the favourite toys of psychopaths and mass murders on killing sprees, there are plenty of rifles in NZ that allow you magazines of bullets to do the legitimate work Hunting and Farming requires.
I have zero time for ‘collectors’ or those who want a gun to defend themselves however. For those people, you don’t get the psychopaths favourite toy and I don’t really see that as the human rights violation you do.
Equally, before you all start squawking at me that the banned guns aren’t machine guns, can I point out your attempt at that technical argument shows how the rest of us have allowed you to sway the narrative because if it looks like a machine gun, sounds like a machine gun and kills like a machine gun, it’s a fucking machine gun.
ACT represents the gun fetish electorate and that gun fetish electorate wants their toys back because they have entwined them psychology to their own identity.
Fuck that.
We can not allow these guns back on the streets regardless of being licensed or not.
These guns are lethal weapons made to do one thing and one thing only, kill as many humans in as short a period of time as possible.
No gun collector or farmer or hunter or person defending themselves needs that kind of fire power in a civil society.
End. Of. Story.
That kind of gun fetish leads to 6 year olds shooting their teacher because the teacher attempts to confiscate their gun from them.
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Americans in certain geographical areas, especially the three top cities of New York, Los Angeles, and Chicago, often feel the need to carry a firearm for their own safety or at least have access to a firearm in their home.
In New Zealand, it is quite the opposite. In our case, you see, we don’t have high rates of crime.
I don’t view the ACT Party as representative of advocacy for firearms. Rather, it is some of the other political parties who want gun control laws … here in New Zealand, of all places. I never thought of New Zealand as having a gun toting culture.
Totally agree with you Martyn. The only way to remove the opportunity from ACT to introduce this gun culture to Aotearoa is to vote Labour; National certainly won’t have the moral fortitude to refuse coalition with ACT, and therefore the Government benches, over such demands.
This issue is like poison for the Left.
A party of organised labour should be diverting such conversations towards constructive demands:
• Reopen all mental hospitals. Reverse the mass bed reductions;
• Mental nurses to deliver screening tests to all, at every workplace and campus;
• No mass surveillance of law-abiding gun owners.
This is compatible with the traditional labour movement position of opposing the seizure of (small) arms from working people. (As opposed to the liberals running New “Labour”)
‘It’s not guns that kill people, it’s people that kill people.’
Repetitious refrain from people who could do with a hole in the head, dead. That’s not my fault thinking and saying that. It’s just what everyone says and thinks it doesn’t mean that people are going to actually do it. It’s just the temporarily insane that do that. Frankly
Scarlet I don’t give a damn for that argument.
Speaking of insane, isn’t it ironic that the most violent imagery used by a poster on this thread, is you -wishing a hole in the head to other people, it’s not the imaginary gun nut culture that need psychiatric help.
You are right – people kill people but you can kill a truck load more people with a gun….
“No gun collector or farmer or hunter or person defending themselves needs that kind of fire power in a civil society.”
That’s assuming we still have a civil society Martyn. So, when the 17 year old, 140kg thug armed with a knife, smashes through your toilet window as happened recently, what are going to tell him? That you voted Labour? LOL
I’ve lived and worked in the USA and for the vast majority it IS a civil society. If you take the inner-city ghettos out of the stats, it’s safer than here. Where I have a problem with Americans is in their lack of safety discipline regarding guns: Your weapon should be under your direct control or in the safe, but too often people leave them lying around as this mother did, stuffed in a sock drawer or left under a pillow. Fix that and you fix school shootings.
This years arms legislation amendments weren’t to do with the gun ban that was Tranche 1 in 2019.
The latest round of vilification of firearms owners is to do with a gun register, something Thorp in his report was wary of, noting it would need 90 percent or more compliance/accuracy to work or we would be less safe.
With the very many unaccounted semi autos (likely 100 000 plus maybe much much higher) there is no chance a register of all guns is going to make us safer.
Most firearms owners no longer trust police head office.
Won’t stop Labour trying to destroy firearms ownership though, like forcing the closure of managed ranges with ridiculous rules making us less safe.
This is an ideological crusade by the left not based on safety.
I have seen no policy from ACT or any party supporting bringing back semi autos or the other guns banned at the time.
Our gun culture has never been the same as Americas, people do a disservice to kiwi culture by suggesting it.
Tarrant was a piece of shit Aussie with short man syndrome who was mislicensed by police then used by police and government to to scapegoat innocent gun owners to cover their own failure and drive an ideological destruction of safe legal gun ownership in New Zealand.
“if it looks like a machine gun, sounds like a machine gun and kills like a machine gun, it’s a fucking machine gun.”
This is truly Greens level demagoguery. You’re better than this
Should the mother be charged for not bringing her child up to be a balanced citizen controlling his passions? Also for having a gun where it could be accessed plus bullets available to access, or worse having a loaded gun available?
Should the government of that area and that nation too, be held to account by the UN as being in contempt of their and USA’s expressed sentiments about how good nations behave? Should Hollywood have strictures about constantly showing violence and malicious, bent behaviour similar to the one they had on showing intimacy between the sexes such that they wouldn’t allow even married people to be portrayed in bed together!! Make love not war USA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Kay_and_Johnny
Mary Kay and Johnny was the first program [in 1948] to show a couple sharing a bed, and the first series to show a woman’s pregnancy on television: Almost Truman Show style!
Random extra – (Here is a different approach that recognises men and women are drawn to each other. –Bundling, or tarrying, is the traditional practice of wrapping a couple together in a bed sometimes with a board between the two of them, usually as a part of courting behavior. The tradition is thought to have originated either in the Netherlands or in the British Isles and later became common in colonial United States,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundling_(tradition)
Now that makes a good change from stories of mayhem and murder doesn’t it!?
And finishing with a fresh and sweet Beatles song (acapella) to restore us to positivity – and perhaps cheer up people in the North Island beset by Cyclone Hale. Imagine being outside and delighting in nature – can you hear the birds twittering here and there.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bdqdO5LAIA