Charlie Kirk was a Christofascist hate grifter not a Free Speech champion – I won’t celebrate his death, but I won’t martyr it either

1. The information – easily searched- that the shooter had antifa and furry/trans slogans on the bullets and the knowledge he lived with a transitioning male partner are quite findable and fact checked , he shot Kirk as he talked about the trans movement.
   The media trying to ignore that and paint him as some republican is plain disingenuous.
   This assassination was a monstrous act but even more monstrous us the depth of hate spewed online and ministry to say almost entirely from the left, Kirk got candle light vigils not riots and burning cities.
   Trumps not nice and he’s a bully but the right isn’t assassinating critics.
   The media fans these flames.
   Here’s TVNZ lecturing on trumps hypocrisy and a reminder clip of TVNZ shooting a toy gun at a Trump representation ;
   https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1LVARUkYP8/?mibextid=wwXIfr

   • Where you look online provides a different view
     https://youtu.be/rKQ1Y8-j2lE?si=pPzEP2Gc7JvEj_oz

     • It’s always nice to get a balanced perspective to alt right wing posts that Keepcalmcarryon posts. Your link was extremely telling Steve and the MAGA movement is equivalent to the Mike Hosking show.

   • Keepcalmcarryon September 14, 2025 At 9:03 am
     “The information – easily searched- that the shooter had antifa and furry/trans slogans on the bullets and the knowledge he lived with a transitioning male partner are quite findable and fact checked , he shot Kirk as he talked about the trans movement……”

     I think it is possible to still be a Republican and have a transitioning partner. These two things are not mutually exclusive.

     I haven’t done the search, but if what you wrote, Keepcalm, is true, that Tyler Robinson was living with a transitioning partner, then we have a motive. It’s nothing to do with the Left, but his own personal circumstances

     Tyler Robinson came from a gun loving Republican family, there are lots of photos of Tyler Robison posing with high powered automatic weapons, it is even on record that Robinson personally donated money to Donald Trump’s election campaign.
     A gun fetish, plus an internal dissonance between his rightwing political beliefs and his personal lived experience, would be a toxic mix.

   • Lols, you say antifa as though it’s a bad thing.

     Celebrate those anti-fascist and proud of it!

   • “he shot Kirk as he talked about the trans movement”
     wrong, loser. He was talking about ‘gun violence’- a silly discussion, to be sure, but the hilarious irony of the timing of the shot came from the mention of guns, not the trans stuff.

   • The rouble is where you look.
     If you look in the right places you will find how America has become what it has.
     The right most definitely are assassination critics!…

     https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360823112/american-political-commentator-advocates-killing-homeless-people-lethal-injection

     • Remember also the home assassination of Mellisa Horton, Democrat Minnesota State Rep by some religious nut, just a couple of months ago. The righteous holier than thou seem to have quietly forgotten about this one too.

       https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_shootings_of_Minnesota_legislators

       • Did Trump award Mellisa Horton a posthumous Presidential medal of freedom?.

   • If he was black or brown you no doubt would have put a racial undertone instead because he’s a white guy affiliated with the MAGA movement so decided to frame him as antifa associated with the left BS

     • No, the f-right will still find some way to blame black/brown people. Considering the wonderful science of jewish space lasers and dog eating hatians, I wouldn’t put it past them.

   • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bw7Q0aczA2Q

     Not NZ media but a few home truths from someone living there.
     Keepcalmcarryon comes to a conclusion without any critical thought, rather a right wing warped perception of wanting his opinion to be true.

2. By my guestimate at least a large minority of American males are second guessing there own opinions only in a bad way. They’re arming up. I thought like most that it was going to be false rape allegations that triggered the reassertion of male dominance. Turns out one of them got shot. The fact that a varsity thrill farmer could be elevated to a similar status as the injustice of Martin L King Jr is mind blowing. Everyone dam well distance themselves from this evil prick.

   Don’t do the easy dumb stuff. It’s got to be forgiveness and it’s got to be mercy, hospitality and charity, do that.

3. His supporters here dropped their masks within seconds.

   Automatic assumptions as to who was responsible and calling for camps for anyone “on the left”.

   Attacking anyone who knew what Kirk was about as “a leftist” which is very telling. So anyone who is informed, rejects White Supremacy and Christo-fascism is apparently “on the left”.
   They’re too dumb to understand the implications of what they’re saying…

   Repeatedly lying about what his critics have stated. No one celebrated his death on that post, but them there bumpkins don’t read no good.

   They don’t “debate” at all, won’t answer questions and are apparently afraid of bad language unless it’s targeted at women, minorities or “the left”.

   Millsy and myself apparently “want bullets” according to some emasculated gun nut who obviously believes in Kirks message (sarc). That pathetic little gun nut is probably trying to reconcile his Kirk grief with his hard on over the shooters gun collection. Offended much Xenophon? Well, freedom of speech you little bitch. Did you have a good weekend using live rounds as anal beads you depraved fuckwit?

   Some moron started making assumptions about my gender and sexuality saying I would never wake up to find a “decent man” beside me. I get the impression that weirdo was thinking about some Kirk related necrophiliac / Godfather horse head scene mashup but didn’t have the language skills to express their desires appropriately. Bit of a creep.

   It was akin to hitting a rotting pig corpse and watching various blind invertebrates crawl out.

   His supporters really covered themselves in glory… No wait, I meant shit, covered themselves in shit.

   • That’s the trouble with choosing violence, it brings out the worst in everyone.
     I actually don’t think at 22 or whatever this kid is, he should get the death penalty, he might be reformable, but who am I to say.
     It’s a Christian virtue to show compassion and I hope Kirk’s family might do so.
     This shooting is a terrible thing and it has polarized a lot of people.
     Before anyone condemns Kirk for his fundamentalist Christian beliefs, search up and read his quotes in full -most doing the rounds are misleading , the empathy quote for example is because he prefers the word compassion. No im not a fundamentalist Christian myself.
     Also realise the left is hating on Christian beliefs but hand in hand with Islam which is far far more fundamentalist, there is a double standard here.

     • Kirks quotes are above. Is believing that non-whites should be dis-enfranchised a Christian belief?

       Got any proof for your assertion that “the left” is hating on Christian beliefs or are hand in hand with Islam?

       And please define these “Christian beliefs”.

       We’ve got all day.

     • There was nothing Christian about Kirk. He had no sympathy for the Christians of Palestine murdered alongside Muslims by his zionist masters.

     • My God you are deluded.

       • His delusional right wing beliefs are on full display. He probably still believes in the trickle down effect.

     • Oh give it time, I’m sure America’s gun loving version of Christianity will metastasize around the world eventually.

       • It certainly will metastasise, John. History records that Hitler was also a “Christian”.

         Religion is simply another form of politics, with a lot more imagination and scientifically unsupported beliefs required.

       • its here already

   • You always need to bear in mind that Americans are incapable of having any sort of discussion, on anything, unless they are able to place a label on you in order to pigeon hole you so their preconceived ideas fit.

4. We used to shrug and say, ‘Well, only in America!’

   Now though, if we let Seymour get his way, all that madness will be here as well. It’s already popped up in various places but gets snuffed out quickly, fortunately.
   However they are playing to win, so we can expect more nonsense being spouted every week.
   At the next election, we need to make a proper job of putting these sorts back in their nasty little box.
   Not dabbling with democracy, making a definite decision to protect it.
   That’s one good thing about FPP. You are either in or you’re out. You cannot negotiate your way in if the wider electorate hasn’t chosen you.

   Also, I see Winnie likes standing, trump-like, in front of lots of NZ flags. That doesn’t mean he’s actually loyal to NZ. As always, he’s loyal to himself, first and foremost. He’s still desperate for his knighthood.

   NZders/Aotearoans, you have been duped enough. Use your brains and make a clear decision for a change, as if your lives depended on it.

   • Controlling a populations thoughts and ideas is a war that can not be won. It goes against the very nature of human rights. We are a free people after all. Only the Almighty creator, father to the son, our Lord and saviour Jesus Christ has that authority.

     The dogmatic teachings of Catholicism is the most valuable document in humanity’s possession right now. They’re the largest of a very few demographics that aren’t killing each other among other godless vandals breaking everyone’s hearts.

     In Catholicism there are two ways to form a relationship. One way is sinless through virginity.

     The other is with sin. Forming such relationships requires forgiveness and repentance. These processes and procedures are well documented by Catholic father’s.

     Sin is an object. Objects that by conscious or unconscious agreement moves humanity closer to a godless society away from humanity’s inheritance.

     The forever wars won’t be won by simply sitting back and waiting for Jesus Christ to do all the work. It’s the nature of a godless society sacrificing human flesh that is vandalizing the human sole.

     The forever wars was never ever physical or kinetic because those are all objects of sin. The war is for the soul of humanity. In the absence of Jesus Christ we have a duty to humanity ourselves to be of one faith that is invokes the spirit of Jesus Christ before his wrath grinds everything to dust upon his return.

     We gotta be better than the monkeys.

     • My Protestant upbringing had people being either Christian or Catholic so I’m surprised by your paragraph “The dogmatic teachings of Catholicism is the most valuable document in humanity’s possession right now. They’re the largest of a very few demographics that aren’t killing each other among other godless vandals breaking everyone’s hearts.”
       It appears that the inquisition, dark ages and recent decades’ events in Serbia have not been in any of your history lessons. I should make it clear that the system is broken as there have been many decent Catholic people who I presume were just living in the only worldview they know.

       • Sebia main religion Eastern Orthodox Christianity. . Stop thinking you know the area and history.

       • Yes, the mass murders of Orthodox Serbs by Catholic Croats were disgusting, from Jasenovac through the ‘israeli’/US/NATO destruction of Yugoslavia in the 1990s. I look forward to those responsible facing their just desserts.

       • No mate. Individuals can hold there own personal views or whatever but what they can’t do is edit the dogmatic teachings of Catholicism. You need a council for that.

     • Boy, that’s some nonsense.
       Some questions:

       You are aware that Roman Catholic dogma is analysed, refined and altered within the Vatican and mutable right?

       Are you referring to the Spanish Inquisition? That anti-semitic tool used to kill, rob and terrorise Jews following the Reconquista, or another Inquisition?

       Would you agree that the closest “religious” analogy to Charles Kirk and his dude-bro’s is the so called “Childrens Crusade”. Where ignorant children were tricked into slavery and bondage under the lie of Christianity?

       What does Jesus taste like?
       Or do you not believe in the transubstantiation?

     • So Sam is god deluded and an RC to boot.
       Explains much.

       • Is that all you got Richard, this why you will always lose. Please explain bible false

   • Useful thoughts Joy about FPP. When MMP was introduced everyone was a virgin as to the depths that political foreplay can go and the present language and discourse reflects the disillusion. So should it be back to FPP or how can we alter things.? Every nutter can’t have their own party, that’s not good democracy.

5. Steve Bannon and the other psychos were threatening, and to quote them-“War” this week on the left, surely that has been long declared. Unless pardoned Jan ‘6ers are going to be let loose to blast away at all and sundry!

   Rather interesting the alleged shooter is from a MAGA family of gun fans and a far rightie.

   • “Rather interesting the alleged shooter is from a MAGA family of gun fans and a far rightie.”

     Still suits them fine, as the target was one of theirs. They’ve been really hanging out for an excuse to trigger their final phase.
     Captain Caplocks the Golden One has already been trying desperately to provoke it with his sending troops into the citities.

6. You won’t be seeing J D Vance strutting about in the open anymore.
   Just saying !!

   • Well, while he’s indoors…

     Those couches won’t fuck themselves.

     • haha comedy gold. Thanks Cinder

7. Margaret Atwood futurist, historian and visionary wrote about Charles Kirk types in her book. A dystopian fiction? not really, and it is now being played out in real time. Charles was however correct based on his own stated rationale “I think it’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational”
   Rational for him and luckily his second amendment is upheld and protected by a God given? Rights?
   Didn’t Jesus say in Mathew 26, 26:52 “Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.”
   I feel sorry for his children being the innocents in this violent social theatre but whose minds are and were being poisoned by bigotry, misogyny, intolerance of others & a hate grifting opportunist’s exposing them to seeing their Dad have his life ended and the resulting trauma they are now suffering.
   Jesus wept indeed.

   • I understand the Christian bible also says “he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one”.

     Of course, in this reading, the Prophet Jesus was referring to his actual Christian followers- not to those like Charlie Kirk who served the likes of Netanyahu, of who the Christian bible says “Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.”

     • Yep, that’s all we now need, a battle of quips from the christian big book of conrtadictory statements and multiple choice.

   • Which book – Margaret Atwood wrote a lot of them? One is called The Blind Assassin.
     Her books are weighty with scenarios, thoughts, facts, imagination;
     Published 2000. The book is set in the fictional Ontario town of Port Ticonderoga and in Toronto. It is narrated from the present day, referring to previous events that span the twentieth century but mostly the 1930s and 1940s. It is a work of historical fiction with the major events of Canadian history forming an important backdrop, for example, the On-to-Ottawa Trek and a 1934 Communist rally at Maple Leaf Gardens.[1][2] Greater verisimilitude is given by a series of newspaper articles commenting on events and on the novel’s characters from a distance…
     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blind_Assassin

     Can we just concentrate on stopping the anger, vileness; we may need censorship as some people’s minds are filled with it and use it as fuel to drive them onwards to some personal destination. Then we may get agreement on something that will help us at present. All sorts of lofty comments here that talk around the situation.

8. “Charlie Kirk was a Christofascist hate grifter not a Free Speech champion – I won’t celebrate his death, but I won’t martyr it either”

   True dat. He made his name picking on nobodies. Still, ‘rotten politics’ is taking advantage of this circumstance to help take the heat off — detract attention away from — rotten politics. This ‘killing’ is being used to divide the people – yet again – pitting Left against Right while undermining the ability of all people to protest against rotten goverment actions, through the undermining of free speech by attaching this core democratic function to the far-Right. The Left/Right (artificial) divide is the gift that keeps on giving for rotten governance. We need to see through this crap and forever keep our eyes on the ball — rotten goverment — before our ability to ever push back against this is taken away from us for good! The clock is ticking folks, the near total control of we, the people, as being honed in Gaza, is waiting in the wings for us all.

9. I can see this happening here one day unless the ferals in government dont grow up and see what shit they are spreading daily .Then we have a minister of guns that wants to arm the whole nation to the teeth .Can only end badly really .

10. Kirk once declared that executions should be public, and that young people should be forced to watch.

    He got his wish.

    A significant part of right wing grief and anger is that he was being groomed to be a future president, and they are likely gutted that their potential future candidate is now permanently cancelled.

    So we collectively dodged that particular bullet because Kirk didn’t dodge his.

    Was his god not protecting him?

    Maybe thoughts and prayers are actually effective after all.

11. Christopher Hitchens has risen again (which is wild) and makes the point that the president and america lowers flags to half mast nationwide for Kirk but not the thousands of kids assassinated in school shootings. https://youtu.be/gny4tLqM2Jo?feature=shared

12. Christopher Hitchens has risen again (which is wild) and makes the point that america lowers flags to half mast nationwide for Kirk but not the thousands of kids assassinated in school shootings. https://youtu.be/gny4tLqM2Jo

13. Is there a kind of grifter that isn’t “hate grifter”?
    Perhaps Martyn’s more of a “larf grifter”.
    Kind of cancels out the negatives.

14. Will Tyler Robinson ever make it to court?

    Or will Tyler Robinson meet the fate of Lee Harvey Oswald?

    The latter outcome will mean we will never truley know Tyler Robinson’s motivation, allowing the Right to impose whatever narrative they want on this tragedy.

15. Anyone notice the glass bullet shields protecting Trump are getting thicker higher and wider

    • That won’t do much to stop some Semtex put in a burger bun.

16. Some of our greatest revolutionaries have been of comfortable, middle and upper class backgrounds. Just because you have a privileged upbringing doesn’t mean you can’t change and become a bringer of radical change.
    Not like the working classes are going to forgo food, clothing and paying for a roof over their heads and raising children to try and improve their lot. Maybe we need to encourage more wealthy people to push and sponsor revolution.

17. I’m sure this has nothing to do with Kirk or that pipsqueak on Fox.

    “Two men found hanging in Mississippi on same day, suspicious deaths stun state”

    https://m.economictimes.com/news/international/global-trends/us-news-trey-reed-and-brandon-white-two-men-found-hanging-in-mississippi-on-same-day-suspicious-deaths-stun-state/articleshow/123926313.cms

    Just like the good old days the Republicans want to return to.

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