Transgender people deserve to be safe in sports – Greens
The Green Party condemns the Government’s decision to abandon guidelines outlining how transgender athletes can be included in community sport.
“Everyone deserves to feel safe in sport, including our trans whānau,” says Benjamin Doyle, Green Party spokesperson for Takatāpui and Rainbow Communities.
“The transgender inclusive community sport guidelines were developed in recognition that not everyone has the tools to know how to include transgender people in sports, but that everyone has the capacity to love their communities enough to learn.
“These guidelines were just that – guidelines that could keep our communities safe, which no one was bound to adhere to – and now they’ve been scrapped.
“Minister Mark Mitchell said himself that there was nothing wrong with the guidelines. It is abundantly clear that this is a political move to appease coalition partners and appeal to some of the most hate-filled corners of our society.
“Prime Minister Christopher Luxon has failed transgender, takatāpui and rainbow communities yet again. We cannot build a thriving society where all people are valued and respected by trying to disappear trans and non-binary folk from public life.
“We stand with transgender, takatāpui and rainbow communities. The Greens are committed to ensuring community sports are inclusive of everyone,” says Benjamin Doyle.
The manner in which 4th wave feminist and non-binary allies have made the entire trans debate more radioactive than Chernobyl will forever be held up as what not to do when attempting to build a movement.
There is no doubt that the Trans movement at the height of the woke cancel culture purges of 2016 went way too far with their alienation super powers and the fiasco of beating Possie Parker from the stage while screaming victim over at the SpinOff didn’t help…
…but the reality in a liberal progressive democracy is that every individual is promised freedom and agency and the Trans whanau (despite their radioactivity and jaw dropping ability to poison all good will) deserve the same agency we all are which means they need access to Identification and rights that do need negotiating with Gender Critical Feminists.
The debate needs good faith and that’s the last thing NZ First are bringing.
NZ First are bringing lies, smears and falsehoods to the debate.
Winston was utterly wrong again here…
…and NZ First are wrong to threaten community funding if a Trans players is part of the team!
Unfortunately NZ First lying and spreading falsehoods doesn’t matter because the entire debate has collapsed into a toxic dumpster fire that no one wants to touch now.
At some stage the middle class woke activists of Wellington need to take a very long hard look at the manner in which their Trans debate, a debate that impacts less than 1% of people, has managed to become a culture war that the Left can not win.
The middle class woke built this trans culture war and the rest of us are having to suffer it while NZ First exploit it.
Take puberty blockers.
Puberty blockers to be prescribed more cautiously in New Zealand after review
Doctors will be told to show caution in prescribing puberty blockers in New Zealand after a review found strong evidence for their effectiveness and safety was lacking.
The Ministry of Health today released its long-awaited evidence brief and a position statement on puberty-stalling hormones.
“The evidence brief found that the evidence supporting the effectiveness and safety was limited and of poor quality,” the ministry said.
As a result of the findings, the ministry is outlining an expectation that greater caution is used in prescribing the medication. Further safeguards may be introduced after consultation with interested parties.
Other countries have also taken steps to restrict puberty blockers out of concern about a lack of robust evidence and rising prescribing rates.
How do you tell The Spinoff they’ve been wrong?
How do you tell Stuff, RNZ and vast swathes of the Public service it’s all been a bit of a bullshit fad?
How do you tell the Woke Wellington Wankers, those Transphobe purges and cancelation social media lynchings may have been a tad overdone?
And most importantly, how do you do it without exciting transphobic right hate groups?
it is hard to acknowledge a middle class identity cult has become a fad, but the stats don’t lie…
…Ian Powell’s thoughtful critique of puberty blockers is an important contribution here.
For the millionth time. The idea that there are some women who believe they are men and some men who believe they are women and some people who believe they are neither and some who believe they are both is as uncontroversial to me as the range of eye, skin and hair colour in the human species.
As a matter of basic human curtesy we should always refer to a person by what ever pronoun and name they wish us to use and we should make it as easy as possible for people to legitimately be able to gain the paper work they need that states their gender and identity so they can go about the lives like everyone else.
This is a liberal progressive democracy, and everyone is promised the same agency and we want our Trans whanau to enjoy the same fruits of human rights we all enjoy, and for those who identity is a real issue, we want them to flourish, however when a middle class identity cult takes over the cultural debate to try and enforce a medical solution to their gender dogma, that’s where the adults in the room have to collectively stand and say, ‘hold on’.
There are genuine issues here that we have ignored in the rush to endorse woke Trans dogma, however what we don’t want is the excesses of the middle class cult to excite the transphobic right hate groups into any belief of justification.
My issue has never been anti-Trans, my issue is the radioactive manner in which the Trans activists and 4th wave feminists went about alienating every voter.
I know many staunch Kiwi Feminists in NZ who feel deeply uncomfortable with the extremeness of some woke Fourth Wave feminists and who feel intimidated to express their true thoughts for fear of being torn to pieces.
Remember how we on the Left had people sacked from their jobs during the social media lynchings of 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, and 2020 for questioning Trans Dogma?
Isn’t it hilarious the first tiny bit of power our activists had they used to alienate almost everyone? Thank Christ they are all on Bluesky now which is the equivalent of screaming into a cushion that no one else can hear.
It is the woke middle class Identitarians who have generated the political backlash we saw in America and globally.
Here is how spastic the Trans debate became in America.
Trump consistently claimed Democrats would allow illegal aliens sex changes in prison, what’s the truth?
Yes the American Prison system allows those transitioning to access the medicines they require because that’s a health issue, but how many have actually accessed sex change operations?
2 FUCKING PRISONERS!
When challenged on this, Kamala Harris said “I will follow the law”, rather than explaining that there are only 2 examples of this and both were domestic prisoners, not ‘illegals’.
She didn’t point this out because the Dems were terrified of insulting the woke by mentioning the Trans debate in any way that didn’t worship them.
The Trans debate – thanks to the toxicity the Woke spent 8 years injecting into this issue, was manipulated by the Right to paint us as gender extremists FFS when only 2 prisoners have ever accessed it!
When you replace class and citizenship as our guiding values on the Left for identity politics, you make it impossible to get to the 51% democratic majority required to win power.
We want our Trans whanau to be able to enjoy the same agency that everyone is promised in a liberal progressive democracy, but the extremism of our woke middle class activists drove the debate off a cliff and now they are pissed off at the rest of us for not supporting them in driving off the cliff???
While I’ve been vocal against their woke alienation, I’ve ended up being one of the few still willing to stand with the Trans community against this Government threatening community funding for any amateur sports team having a Trans player because while I disagree with the Trans alienating tactics, I disagree much more with punishing community funding for their mere existence.
This whole debate needed to be far more rational and far less hating. Could the woke please go back to sleep?
We get it wokies, your manufactured identity is far more important than the common ground between us.
Meanwhile, the Planet is melting, global war looms and the economy is tanking. If we could just get back to those issues please?
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“As a matter of basic human curtesy we should always refer to a person by what ever pronoun and name they wish us to use ” Okay. And as a matter of basic human rights we should always respect women’s exclusive access to their own spaces.
Quite so
No human right has a duty to perform any type of obligation and that’s 100% true.
Take gun rights. We have a right to own a gun. But there’s no duty to use a gun.
We have a right to speech but no duty to speak.
Ect
Ect
Ect
Trans activists themselves destroyed the pronouns debate. Pronouns are not a coercive judgement upon society it’s an introduction.
Instead of waiting for the cursed introduction trap whinging sir, sir it’s ma’am. Instead start with hi I’m a was were or whatever the fuck and resit year 10 english and math while you’re at it.
People can believe what they want, but if they don’t have the required evidence, then others are allowed to make their own decisions based on what they know.
The world is burning ,Women and children are being starved to death in Gazza .farmers are being given easier rights to pollute our water and all these arseholes are concerned about is a hand full of kids who just want to have fun and play games .Fuck even Hulk Hogan gets big headlines because he has died ,Who gives a fuck what has he done for NZ ?
gordon walker is Shoke
(Not my fault that stepping stone comments are left off, nor when convo diverges as a result.)
Play the ball, men.
The gravitas of Benjamin Doyle.
Dear Sean Plunket,
I hate this process of curating. I cannot see why we cannot have the news.
And to add to my simpleton comment — on time, daily — makes me feel ill.
However (another grinding gear word), I do accept that this is where we are at as a society (what’s that? Arggh! another do nothing word).
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High Trust low fear Model
token eye Sing, oh my
Truth and truestingsingly
It’s a fact —
Prayer is the best activity of all
which god next?
Go for truest
Especially, go men GO
If I hadn’t met that Bradley I’d be inclined now to opine that Benjamin must be a bully.
Bradley never forced himself upon me (depending on your syntax; whatever, I was safe).
Peters of the “mangled syntax” — RESIGN
“sad predictable backlash”
Peters reads titles, I’m sure.
The story is all about you, nasty man, and it’s not favourable and it won’t get better under this status quo of pretense — because I never lose.
Mrs Jacqueline Walter
RESIGN
After angry comes tears, always does
Mother fuckers Kiwi men
SUFFER
You simply can’t force inclusion of one group while discriminating and disadvantaging against another protected group.
Is there a truly “protected group” in law?
There is in lore, but that cannot be codified.
Each man for himself against The Sisterhood (if men must be at war), I dare say…
…except that there is no law, nor lore, to ensure that I belong in The Sisterhood…unless it’s a double headed monster somewhere in the world.
All this is somewhat higher than toilet talk, btw.
On the Trans issue, you can follow psychologists, or geneticists.
The geneticists have the objective truth. The psych folk see patients for life.
If we are to champion the rights of an oppressed minority, the disabled are infinitely more deserving.
Let’s face it that stupid Pose Parker coming here made zero difference to Winston Peters. He may as well paint himself orange. He’s simply riding the hate algorithm that Trump relies on. Anyone would think there were droves of trans people roaming the sports ground and presumably public bathrooms. I think people need to grow up. Nathan your handwringing on the topic is ridiculous. Women not feeling safe in general has way more to do with “straight” males than Holly from Miami FLA
Males in general actually Wheel
I can spot em a mile away, whether or not they identify as women, they’re all potential risks to women
Laurel Hubbard. I rest my case
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