All good suggestions. If individuals or groups of Israelis are identified in Aotearoa NZ, let them know that they may run to the other side of the world–but–they cannot hide. The IDF butchery is the worst example of deliberate slaughter of a population this century.
There are horrific events in many parts of the world, but what makes the pulverising of Gaza worse is that the USA and EU who are meant to be world leaders of democracy fully fund and support it!
No entry to NZ for Israeli soldiers who have been, murdering children and babies and raping detainees as a means of control and punishment. Israel is committing GENOCIDE and we should be outraged that they think they can just get accepted around the world. They are dangerous people with Nazi ideology.
So where do we draw the line about who is and who isn’t allowed to visit New Zealand ? And if these “hundreds of Israeli soldiers” who allegedly holiday in New Zealand are all baddies, then what’s wrong with them experiencing a culture outside of their own milieu, or being exposed to a variety of viewpoints insofar as our sappy MSM ever expresses them ? Do these hundreds of holidaying soldiers proselytise in town halls, or in public parks, or lobby our politicians or what? Why expel the Israel ambassador and sever a line of civilised or constructive communication at a time when it is most needed ?
Why not ban Chinese tourists who defecate in rural church grounds and wander around photographing congregations at prayer, or loud-mouthed Americans taking intrusive pictures in iconic St Mary of the Angels oblivious of local worshippers engaged in spiritual activities of importance to them, or visiting Brit women trying to give New Zealand women voices – oops, been there, done that, and it didn’t work out all that well either. Ban everyone ?
Funny how you zionists like to pretend that you don’t target churches and Christians even more aggressively than you do Muslims, chomo.
We humans have your number. We will never, ever, forgive you for your crimes.
Write a poem about it, and what faeces white folk are, and how Captain James Cook ate babies, and you could score a whopping great Arts Council hand-out.
That anyone from an arrogant racist state, a callous destroyer of lives, the wholesale obliteration of men women and children, a state of torturers, of war criminals, condemned universally for its self-serving pitiless ideology, can holiday here, mingle among us, bathe in our seas and sit in the sun, is obscene and should be stopped. And Israelis shouldn’t be allowed here for the same reasons.
Yes, stop Israeli soldiers and government officials coming here, but no civilians of any nationality should be banned because of the country they were born in. Are we going to ban Palestinians with Israeli citizenship?
1948 Palestinians aren’t ‘israeli’. Only zionist criminals are.
Seems as if every time you turn a stone in NZ out crawls a new bug and now an Israeli
soldier. And some may be women so they must be allowed in, being in tune with our militant wimmin who awake when they are woke; hail the Israelis who can kindly confer eternal sleep at the touch of a button.
Trivialising human tragedy achieves nothing.
And in the meantime, our police are too busy going to gang tangi to strip them of their patches, but we are letting in murderers to holiday
Overall I agree with you however the way that Jews were subjected to increasing penalties from 1933 to 1945 makes me reluctant to associate the Nazi description to what they are doing due to the negative reaction by many in society who koow the horror of the Holocaust but are ignorant of that dangers that Palestinians face from Israel today. While the genocide happening now is a race based persecution and completely wrong I suspect that some potential supporters of the Palestinians get cold feet when we start saying Israel has Nazi ideology. Maybe I am being too sensitive but I don’t think that it serves the Palestinians by unnecessarily alienating sections of the population against them.
“Judea declares war against Germany ” NYT headlines 1933.
Remember, Bonnie, there is a clear distinction between the racist and genocidal current government of Israel and the peaceful followers of the Jewish faith.
Ximon. Good point, and it is regrettable that this has to be spelled out. After all, we do try not to judge all Christians by the likes of Luxon and English.
It’s hard to find a label that fits today’s sensitivities. The way we feel is fluid, one adult in authority dies in the west; hundreds of helpless people die elsewhere in a situation that was preventable. Both sad, and what are we who look on and manage to bear the pain and go on regardless. Noam Chomsky I salute you.
Lebensraum was Nazi ideology. Greater Israel is the idealogy we witness in Gaza.
All that Gas off the coast of Gaza. God forbid the Gazans get to develop their gas resource.
These people do not pass the good character test and cannot be granted entry into NZ. If the NZ government allows Israelis (collectively) to enter the country then this indicates they condone their behavior and their grievous breaches of humanitarian and international law, This would mean they are themselves complicit in genocide including the mass murder of children.
I’m not biased, I want to know where all violent offenders are in New Zealand, not just these brainwashed gutless cowards from Israel. Who are these criminals released from prison into my community, what have they done and where are they residing (I bet you they are nowhere near the gated homes of the parole board who set them free). Track them all, remove the risk and protect New Zealanders. If people entering NZ are criminals then jail them and the Immigration officials who granted entry (including politicians). If NZers reoffend then jail them and the people who set them free.
Jody. I want to know why rich privileged Kiwi politicians can justify perpetuating a low wage economy so that some people, working people, remain trapped in poverty with no clear way out, and their children are the victims who lead deprived lives, stunted lives, which can lead to unwise decision making or worse. It doesn’t take an Einstein – and there’s none in the Zealand Parliament – to figure out why the children of the poor have to fight so much harder to achieve a reasonable quality of life, or who just fight.
If collective punishment is the Israeli states offence, are all its people guilty of it and thus collective punishment applied to them all, by the rest of the world.
How do we stand after the world learnt of the historic abuse of minors in care and multiple government cover-ups involving Crown Law, the SG, the AG and Ministers of the Crown.
Our government apology, they were abused in mental health institutions in which they did not belong, so culpability was admitted. But the deadly and openly stated witness, if they had deemed someone mentally ill they are not safe in those places from that same abuse not even now (punishment to assert power and control). None of those abused in them over decades received an apology.
All good suggestions. If individuals or groups of Israelis are identified in Aotearoa NZ, let them know that they may run to the other side of the world–but–they cannot hide. The IDF butchery is the worst example of deliberate slaughter of a population this century.
There are horrific events in many parts of the world, but what makes the pulverising of Gaza worse is that the USA and EU who are meant to be world leaders of democracy fully fund and support it!
No entry to NZ for Israeli soldiers who have been, murdering children and babies and raping detainees as a means of control and punishment. Israel is committing GENOCIDE and we should be outraged that they think they can just get accepted around the world. They are dangerous people with Nazi ideology.
So where do we draw the line about who is and who isn’t allowed to visit New Zealand ? And if these “hundreds of Israeli soldiers” who allegedly holiday in New Zealand are all baddies, then what’s wrong with them experiencing a culture outside of their own milieu, or being exposed to a variety of viewpoints insofar as our sappy MSM ever expresses them ? Do these hundreds of holidaying soldiers proselytise in town halls, or in public parks, or lobby our politicians or what? Why expel the Israel ambassador and sever a line of civilised or constructive communication at a time when it is most needed ?
Why not ban Chinese tourists who defecate in rural church grounds and wander around photographing congregations at prayer, or loud-mouthed Americans taking intrusive pictures in iconic St Mary of the Angels oblivious of local worshippers engaged in spiritual activities of importance to them, or visiting Brit women trying to give New Zealand women voices – oops, been there, done that, and it didn’t work out all that well either. Ban everyone ?
Funny how you zionists like to pretend that you don’t target churches and Christians even more aggressively than you do Muslims, chomo.
We humans have your number. We will never, ever, forgive you for your crimes.
Write a poem about it, and what faeces white folk are, and how Captain James Cook ate babies, and you could score a whopping great Arts Council hand-out.
That anyone from an arrogant racist state, a callous destroyer of lives, the wholesale obliteration of men women and children, a state of torturers, of war criminals, condemned universally for its self-serving pitiless ideology, can holiday here, mingle among us, bathe in our seas and sit in the sun, is obscene and should be stopped. And Israelis shouldn’t be allowed here for the same reasons.
Yes, stop Israeli soldiers and government officials coming here, but no civilians of any nationality should be banned because of the country they were born in. Are we going to ban Palestinians with Israeli citizenship?
1948 Palestinians aren’t ‘israeli’. Only zionist criminals are.
Seems as if every time you turn a stone in NZ out crawls a new bug and now an Israeli
soldier. And some may be women so they must be allowed in, being in tune with our militant wimmin who awake when they are woke; hail the Israelis who can kindly confer eternal sleep at the touch of a button.
Trivialising human tragedy achieves nothing.
And in the meantime, our police are too busy going to gang tangi to strip them of their patches, but we are letting in murderers to holiday
Overall I agree with you however the way that Jews were subjected to increasing penalties from 1933 to 1945 makes me reluctant to associate the Nazi description to what they are doing due to the negative reaction by many in society who koow the horror of the Holocaust but are ignorant of that dangers that Palestinians face from Israel today. While the genocide happening now is a race based persecution and completely wrong I suspect that some potential supporters of the Palestinians get cold feet when we start saying Israel has Nazi ideology. Maybe I am being too sensitive but I don’t think that it serves the Palestinians by unnecessarily alienating sections of the population against them.
“Judea declares war against Germany ” NYT headlines 1933.
Remember, Bonnie, there is a clear distinction between the racist and genocidal current government of Israel and the peaceful followers of the Jewish faith.
Ximon. Good point, and it is regrettable that this has to be spelled out. After all, we do try not to judge all Christians by the likes of Luxon and English.
It’s hard to find a label that fits today’s sensitivities. The way we feel is fluid, one adult in authority dies in the west; hundreds of helpless people die elsewhere in a situation that was preventable. Both sad, and what are we who look on and manage to bear the pain and go on regardless. Noam Chomsky I salute you.
Lebensraum was Nazi ideology. Greater Israel is the idealogy we witness in Gaza.
All that Gas off the coast of Gaza. God forbid the Gazans get to develop their gas resource.
These people do not pass the good character test and cannot be granted entry into NZ. If the NZ government allows Israelis (collectively) to enter the country then this indicates they condone their behavior and their grievous breaches of humanitarian and international law, This would mean they are themselves complicit in genocide including the mass murder of children.
I’m not biased, I want to know where all violent offenders are in New Zealand, not just these brainwashed gutless cowards from Israel. Who are these criminals released from prison into my community, what have they done and where are they residing (I bet you they are nowhere near the gated homes of the parole board who set them free). Track them all, remove the risk and protect New Zealanders. If people entering NZ are criminals then jail them and the Immigration officials who granted entry (including politicians). If NZers reoffend then jail them and the people who set them free.
Jody. I want to know why rich privileged Kiwi politicians can justify perpetuating a low wage economy so that some people, working people, remain trapped in poverty with no clear way out, and their children are the victims who lead deprived lives, stunted lives, which can lead to unwise decision making or worse. It doesn’t take an Einstein – and there’s none in the Zealand Parliament – to figure out why the children of the poor have to fight so much harder to achieve a reasonable quality of life, or who just fight.
If collective punishment is the Israeli states offence, are all its people guilty of it and thus collective punishment applied to them all, by the rest of the world.
How do we stand after the world learnt of the historic abuse of minors in care and multiple government cover-ups involving Crown Law, the SG, the AG and Ministers of the Crown.
Our government apology, they were abused in mental health institutions in which they did not belong, so culpability was admitted. But the deadly and openly stated witness, if they had deemed someone mentally ill they are not safe in those places from that same abuse not even now (punishment to assert power and control). None of those abused in them over decades received an apology.
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