Prime Minister Christopher Luxon, ministers announce new measures to combat youth crime
The coalition Government is introducing a new Young Serious Offender declaration, Children’s Minister Karen Chhour announced today.
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon has joined Chhour and Police Minister Mark Mitchell at a press conference.
Luxon said today’s announcements were about making New Zealand a tougher place for people who commit crimes.
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What the fuck?
Police will have the power to arrest a young person without a warrant???
We are allowing cops to arrest 14 year old children without a warrant for breaches and sending them to boot camps that don’t work & calling that progress are we?
You all know Military Boot Camps don’t work.
You know that, I know that, National knows that, and Oranga Tamariki should be ashamed.
Let’s be 100% clear here.
If you are Right Wing you don’t care Military Boot Camps don’t work, all you care about is that kids you despise get the bash from some brutal Full Metal Jacket level Boot Camp fantasy!
Admit it, you known this doesn’t work, you just want revenge and a sense these kids are frightened and yelled at.
You know it’s all counter productive but this is redneck vengeance being passed as social policy to make right wing voters feel a sense of power in their powerless lives.
There is no science based research that proves these things work and that’s fine by the Right because it’s not about facts, it’s about right wing revenge.
Right wing ‘feelings; have replaced Left wing ‘feelings’ as policy and we are all worse off!
What processes are in place for young people forceed through this to complain about abuse?
Remember the youth prison where staff were organising fight clubs and filming them?
Turns out those staff were given 2 weeks training to work with these kids.
We have $14billion for borrowed tax cuts and $2.9billion for the richest landlords but we have poorly funded military boot camps that are set up to pacify angry right wing feelings.
This is what we is now, a knuckle dragging cracker settler redneck nation who endorse culture war revenge fantasies over actual social policy.
We are all Aratere now.
Under Labour the kids were ignored so they started rampaging and filming themselves and the police were told to be kind .
The statistics does not support your theories. What actually happened was the National Party of Aotearoa New Zealand, privatised, government responsibilities.
I’m not sure teaching youth offenders to clean up behind themselves and how to run better is the cure all to theft and home envisions Luxon thinks it is. If we know anything about New Zealand Prisons in the 21st century it just makes them better crims.
If there is support after boot camp, it will be different from the old corrective training. The offenders finished their sentences and were left to fend for themselves.
Weren’t they actually abused in training not after. The boys homes were rife with psychopaths who artfully hid their psychopathy and sexual deviance. They were government homes too and run by the government. No doubt the 10 children picked for the experiment will be treated as they should, lab rats so to speak,ripe for intervention with the best of care because we will be watching for a while then as always we won’t care what goes on behind closed doors as long as we are not impacted. Will there be an independent review of the experiment or will it be David Seymour and his reckons. By the way boot camps and abuse in care report the same week thats how we roll and thats how we don’t care about youth
So a 14 year old boy be taken off without a reason? Why? Because the entire system is too busy to even print a warrant and give a reason?
Dont worry we are going to post an extra 63 police over THE NEXT TWO YEARS ,to fix this so called crime wave .Yes crime has risen over the last 10 year and so has the population increased by 20% in the same time .As a % of population crime has probably dropped per 1000 people in that time .We hear from the skin head gang leader and his god squad daily how bad NZ is ,but I just read on stuff a bout a mall having to go into lock down in Adelaide .Last I looked Adelaide was not in NZ but in the lucky country where everything is all cream and peaches .We are part of the world wide trend that is driven by poverty .And no amount of laws will change a fucken thing as the economy shrinks by 19% over the next 25 years .
So the intent is to arrest children and ship them off to a quasi-military camp to teach them how to be better organised and to plan things better (military style), as well as training them in self sufficiency (probably including “self defence classes), and then turn trained individuals back into society.
Great call!!! So instead of disorganised bored kids on spur of the moment hijinks, we’re going to get organised disciplined gangs that plan real crimes.
If this isn’t the height of idiocy, I can’t think of anything else that qualifies. Still, given the current IQ level of the ministers in charge, I suppose this Forrest Gump level of intelligence is par for the course.
The good news is that it won’t survive the first court challenge and will be struck down as contravening the BOR.
New Zealand courts cannot strike down legislation because we don’t have superior law like a written constitution. Courts can make a declaration but that’s a toothless tiger because Parliament can ignore it.
Tell that to Rob Muldoon who’s legislation got effectively struck down by the courts because of Magna Carta. Tell that to the former mayor of New Plymouth who’s anti-gang patch legislation got struck down by the courts because of the BOR. Sorry pal, but the reality is that the BOR is effective in NZ.
Richard, you are taking about regulations and bylaws which are not Acts of parliament. Regulations and bylaws can be struck down in judicial review if they go outside the empowering Act. It is basic public law that Courts cannot strike down Acts of parliament. Only parliament can repeal its own legislation. So Pal, do a bit of research next time.
We must have been watching different channels as I thought she came across as someone who knows what she is talking about and cares.
The boot camps will only work if the young offenders are returned to a group that cares.Sadly this may not be the family .They had their chance and failed.
A few on here are ignoring the community integration post military academy that was not there for the failed 1990s corrective training. This integration might be the only decent input these young people ever get.
Time to take the rose coloured spectacles off. The reason the LSV worked was because it was followed up with employment introductions and a structured aftermath. This abortion does not. Military training usually adds valuable skills to an enlisted, in the form of training for skill sets that are transferable to post military careers. This does not. It’s a bullshit right wing put up job that resonates with rednecks and ignorant lazy buggers who know nothing about what motivates teenagers. If they really cared about these people, they’d put the money into apprenticeships. They don’t, so they haven’t. And ignoramuses applaud like stupid lapdogs.
Richard Caves. 100% re apprenticeships. New Zealand also used to have technical colleges for non-academically inclined secondary school students.
In many countries 14 year olds are part of the paid work force, and not all unwillingly. Its a bit schizophrenic now, referring to them as children one moment, and then wanting to give them a vote the vote the next.
Yes I agree.
Last time a NZDF trained ex squaddie went haywire the police shot him .
He was 20. MAORI. Caleb Henry. 2013.
On Tolley’s watch
Is that the idea? Similar to the Vanguard academies Train them to fitness & dumb obedience to fight wars that arent defence and if they dont sign up to be body fodder or survive the abuse and go awol, shoot them?
Really
His name was
Land of the long white labour camp.
And when the war that Ben Morgan has been detailing the preparations for breaks out, which it will, our military leaders and politicians will have a large reserve of young people drilled to obey they can send as cannon fodder ++++++++++++++++++++++++++
The original gangsters in NZ who started The Mongrels and Black Power had grown up (smashed up) in Epuni and Kohitere boys homes. How is a boot camp fundamentally different?
I surmise the idea of boot camps comes from the whole generation that served in the second world war and the idea a stint in the army is a good discipline thing for the community. A boot camp for the baddest boys is entirely different. It’s not a cross section of society. However the warmongers are looking to change that. Biden is reintroducing the draft (possibly including women) in prep for the China war.
Arresting a 14 year old without a warrant might have saved a 16 year old from getting stabbed to death at the Dunedin bus hub a few weeks ago.
Hen “ … might have saved a 16 year old from getting stabbed to death at the Dunedin bus hub a few weeks ago.” True. Looks like Commissioner Coster has seen the light about putting more policemen back on the beat the way they used to be. That’s assuming that they don’t just stand by doing nothing like they did at Albert Park, and for which, IMO, New Zealand is owed an apology, or at least an explanation.
Abolishing community cop shops with neighbourhood police people who knew their patches and were often very involved with them, also looks like a mistake worth revisiting. Time for the Minister of Police to revisit paying them decently too, instead of training them for export to Australia.
Can we flog the pedos many of them priest and while we are at it lets flog the exclusive brethren. And the while collar crims they could do with a good flogging.
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