This is fucking pathetic from ACT…
Swarbrick Must Explain Use Of Hamas Phrase
“Green MP Chloe Swarbrick must explain why she is repeating statements from the terrorist organisation Hamas’ charter,” says ACT Leader David Seymour.
“Chloe Swarbrick was videoed leading a chant of ”From the river to the sea” at the same rally where Labour MP Phil Twyford was forced off the stage after saying he condemns the violence against civilians by Hamas. The phrase appears in the Hamas charter and there is a large group of people, at the very least, who believe it means no Israel and even no Jewish people.
“UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak has condemned the use of this phrase, while UK Labour suspended an MP for using it last week. Meanwhile in New Zealand the Jewish community lives in fear of anti-semitism and must watch as political leaders repeat it with no accountability.
…ok, 5 things here.
1: Israeli war crime apologists have manufactured this phrase, ”From the river to the sea”, into meaning the genocidal extermination of the State of Israel which is nonsense because as everyone knows, Hamas agreed to the 1967 boundaries, so this attempt to hold up a rhyme as evidence of antisemitism is petty, pathetic and juvenile in the extreme.
2: Where the fuck does ACT get off playing cheap stunts like this on the same day that Israel has killed 10 000 civilians in one month?
3: ACT have been very clear that the 9000 civilians Russia has killed in 22 months is a war crime.
4: Israel has killed as many civilians in one month that Russia has done in almost 2 years, yet ACTs apologist position for Israeli war crimes isn’t hypocrisy at all?
5: ACT insinuating Chloe is an antisemite is disgraceful! Her using a contentious rhyme at a Palestinian Protest doesn’t make her an antisemite and attempting to make that the issue in the shadow of 10 000 dead civilians is fucking disgraceful quite frankly!
Meanwhile innocent civilians in Gaza are being murdered in war crimes perpetrated by our allies.
The Israeli Ambassador should be immediately expelled from NZ.
Chloe Swarbrick isn’t an antisemite and attempting to insinuate that she is is intellectually bankrupt!
Shame on ACT!
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The NZ Jewish groups both old, and the new ones that have popped up, are bricking themselves-they know increasingly that the “game is up” for Israeli propaganda.
Since the world has seen the IDF butchers go about their gruesome work in Gaza there is no longer automatic support for Israel. In their thousands and in their million people around the world are also saying “from the river to the sea Palestine will be free!”
Incel David really does struggle to be an adult on issues like this.
Of course Labour in the UK suspended someone. They are pandering to the same wankers that set up Jeremy Corbyn as an anti semite ( which the most stupidly misused label).
Mr Free Speech, who flirts with stoking hatred himself, should reflect on his own words and actually show some self determination. I am surprised he didn’t roll out “thoughts and prayers”
“Free Speech” in Seymour’s world does not seem to apply to those exercising their freedom of association, speech and assembly for the purpose of solidarity with occupied Palestine!
Yes, the upper echelons of British Labour are rotten to the core if you follow the campaign to destroy Jeremy Corbyn.
When Winston Peters was foreign minister I wrote to him a couple of times about Israeli State and Military action, and boy did I get some pro US crap back, signed by him, but I guess some staff member actually wrote the responses.
The green woke machine takes offence at every minor triviality.
To pretend that Swarbrick doesn’t understand the reality of what she is saying is being deliberately obtuse.
Swarbrick would be well aware that Jews find it offensive but is happy to offend them.
Not all Jews find the saying offensive so they need to learn to live in a world with diverse opinions. Many around the world find the slaughter of Palestinian people offensive as well or will you be insisting that it is another subject to be avoided because it offends the feelings of those supporting the crime.
If anybody has had the experience of living in a world with diverse opinions, it is the Jewish people, more so than most in this parochial isolated little country at the bottom of the world.
First, anyone who is unable to distinguish between “the state of Israel”, “the army of the state of Israel”, “the current government of the state of Israel”, “followers of Judaism” and “Jews” is either an idiot or a politician. David Seymour may be both.
Criticism of “Jews” is antisemitic hate speech.
Criticism of “follower of Judaism” is also inappropriate and is just as inappropriate as blanket islamophobia.
Criticism of “the state of Israel”, “the army of the state of Israel”, “the current government of the state of Israel” is entirely legitimate.
As the relevant Stuff article makes clear, the line at the protest was not first stated by Chloe but was in fact started by a Jewish woman, the co-founder of the group Dayenu: New Zealand Jews Against Occupation. But it’s interesting that David Seymour didn’t go after her.
And now according to Moses ‘free Gaza’ is anti semitic. Will we be able to have any chants….
The Jewish people I know agree with the chants currently used at the rallies including “From the river to the sea” which has been around long before Hamas came into being and is not about killing of Jews.
For all the crap that is written here. Muslims have lived in the area Palestine (all of it including the area called Israel) since the 7th century.
That a people so maligned and murdered (along with 5 million gypsies, gay people, disabled etc) in their millions could then turn around and treat others this way in unfathomable.
Tom you know so much – you could be the arbiter. So do tell which slogans are okay? After all Moses has now said that ‘free Gaza’ is unacceptable.
So she’s not woke then? Is that what you are saying?
Oh dear we can’t comment on the emperor’s clothes in case he is made uncomfortable. Are you saying that the words ‘from the river to the sea’ are so offensive they should not be uttered, because they represent in biased people’s heads a narrower viewpoint than anyone else would consider.
The way this war has exposed leftwing voices love of demonizing Jewish people is gross. Maybe my little leftwing heart has finally gone to seed but I can’t vote for a party or support politicians who think that chant is okay. Eww.
So chanting is bad but mass slaughter of innocent people in response to an evil act is alright then? If you don’t stand for something then you will fall for anything seems to be the way you think.
I’m pretty sure there are more Jewish New Zealanders than Palestinian New Zealanders.
Given the Jewish people find that term offensive and anti semitic I am pretty sure that qualifies as hate speech.
You won’t find the Greens criticizing Hamas because they know that the Palestinians support and are supported by Hamas. Hamas is inextricably linked to the Palestinians. They elected them.
It should be pointed out that the Palestinians have no friends in the region even among their Muslim brothers.
Their only friends seem to be ignorant leftist western liberals who are being played by Iranian Mullahs.
ok That must be why not one Arab nation supports Israel, and why Saudi withdrew from upcoming peace talks with Israel in support of its Palestinian brothers
It must be why Al Jazeera (owned by the Qatari royal family) is so adamantly pro Palestinian and is making sure the world gets to see the ongoing genocide in Gaza
Newsflash. Arabs and Jews want to kill each other.
If either one puts down their weapons there will be carnage.
Its called war and if you think it has to be proportionate or fair your living on another planet, or perhaps you believe diversity equity and inclusion now includes war? Perhaps you should talk to the citizens of Dresden or Hiroshima about proportionality.
Yknow putting your ammunition and command centres underneath hospitals is a war crime as well but that’s not the point. In war there are no rules. It’s only a war crime if you lose.
Jews think that they have a free pass to kick the Palestinians. They can get stuffed.
Whatever, she is an idiot who has no influence whatsoever on the global stage or the wars in the mid-east. How about this moron shows the same passion for children and women being abused in her own backyard? Oh no, that would require too much effort.
Do you mean Swarbrick? I would doubt you have more intelligence than she does and clearly the people of AkL Central, despite party voting National, were pretty clear they think she works for a living. Lastly she would show a lot more concern for children and women than David Seymour
Tabatha You have voiced my thoughts. What a difference it could make if one politician, any politician at all, could act with passion and anger about the New Zealand women and children subject of police call-outs every 4 minutes. No mileage there.
Wasn’t Choles friend Marama Davidson Minister of family violence prevention? How did that go? Oh that’s right there was a report…….
Anker Marama proclaimed violence was due to white cisgender males and thereby did not solve the problem, inbetween helping to silence natural born women, and celebrating transgender extremists belting women up as some sort of joyous occasion. It’s pretty screwed up.
The New Zealand political class look to be owned by the Israel lobby and are using woke phosphorus to bombard kiwi citizens with allegations of antisemitism. I’m wondering if our politicians and public servants are cut from the same cloth as those in the 1930s, those respectable gentlemen in tailored suits, those just following orders, those who turned a blind eye to the rising fascism, those who didn’t want to ‘inflame the situation’ as Nazism rolled other countries, those who barely paid lip service to the extermination that followed until it was too late.
Waiting for David Seymour to discover that he has Jewish heritage just as he discovered he’s Maori. Hares and hounds stuff.
The only way to peace is for all those who live in that region be they Jews or Arabs of one kind or another to acknowledge they both have roots there of one kind or another and to look forward not backwards an determine to live peaceably together for the good of those who follow.
It is also now time for all countries to stop sending aid to countries involved in this conflict as it has been found that the aid has been ending up in the hands of now immensely rich Palestinians who do not live in Palestine but in other cities of the world and who are funding the Hamas and funding the weapons. They should now be made to return the Aid to those it was meant for.
Arghh. We have three more years to go of having to listen to Rimmer on a regular basis.
It’s probably best not to think too much about it if you aren’t already contemplating an early exit for yourself.
Can’t wait for Mr. “strong and stable government” to start running his mouth off . Does he know the election is over or is it just a stuck record? The flip side of which is by Mr. “smash the gangs”.
I think there’s a meme or two in there – lol
Free Speech and ACT, a relationship of convenience
The rich have money the rich love ACT – free speech for the rich and those they sponsor -TU, FSU etc.
Zionists claiming anti-Zionism is ant-semitism trumps free speech.
What does Jordan Williams of the FSU say?
Who does he have to ask to get permission to defend free speech?
Does Seymour now love Hunt because he associates anti-Likud speech with the risk of violence?
Has Hunt saved the HRC from ACT scalpel?
Will Damien jog off to leave others to defend the free speech rights of those people on the side of rag heads, more concerned to encourage radicals to do harm to the poor people who live here.
This party was not elected to speak for NZ people .She is entitled to her opinion but not to say NZ ers .
There is fault on both sides and I am sure just as here most people on both sides just want to get on with life and not fight anybody. I am sure most Palestinian did not want Hamas to attack Isreal and kill innocent people including children and most Jews did not want
Gaza is on the Mediterranean, The West Bank is on the bank of the Jordan river and the border of Jordan. (the country).
You can’t have a two state solution without joining up these two areas, from the river to the sea.
Take this simple fact, conflate it to Palestinians wanting to kill all Jews, is just racist Israeli propaganda.
When the peace process was taken seriously over 20 years ago – one issue was a road and rail corridor.
So not supporting the mass slaughter of people who have nothing to do with the conflict makes you a Hamas supporter? What a muppet
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