Ceasefire in Israel-Gaza conflict currently unrealistic – Hipkins
A ceasefire in the Israel-Gaza conflict is currently unrealistic, according to outgoing Prime Minister Chris Hipkins.
FFS.
Chippy is as gutless on Gaza as he was on the Wealth Tax.
We aren’t demanding a ceasefire because we are slaves to America via the 5 Eyes Spook Alliance, so we won’t say a harsh word against Israel’s war crime drenched response.
According to Chippy, this is proportional…
…glad we had that cleared up.
If NZ had an independent foreign policy, we would do the following in response to the ongoing war crimes of Israel and horrific Hamas violence:
- Condemn Israel’s attacks on Gaza
- Demand Hamas return all hostages immediately
- Call for an immediate comprehensive ceasefire
- Call for the Palestinian people in Gaza to be placed under immediate United Nations protection
- Send the Israeli ambassador home
- Call for Two State summit immediately after hostilities have ceased.
There can be no justification for what Hamas did, but there are many many many manymany many many many many manymany many many many many many many manymany many many many many manymany many many many many many many manymany many many many many manymany reasons why it has happened.
I argued in January that the toxic ingredients were all in place for a 3rd intifada.
The far right Zionist Israeli Government and their cruel settler building program alongside the crack down on Palestinian prisoners rights alongside a normalisation agenda with other Muslim nations that would sideline the Palestinians permanently alongside the attacks on Holy sites alongside Putin and Iran’s own interests for conflict alongside no political solutions alongside 2.2million Palestinians cramped into what is effectively the largest open air prison on the planet alongside a 17 year blockade have all combined to produce a terrorism of unspeakable horror that can never be justified no matter the provocation.
The fear now is that in their blind rage for revenge, the Israelis are about to compound the atrocities of Hamas with their own.
You can’t drop bombs in a place as densely packed as Gaza and not kill innocent civilians.
70% of Palestinians killed so far are women and children. That’s not a military outcome, that’s a war crime!
The violence meted out by Hamas was calculated to inspire a rage retaliation from Israel that will trip the West Bank and Hezbollah.
The difference between Hamas and the IDF is that the IDF has obligations as a State in terms of its use of violence, where as Hamas is a terrorist organisation whose resistance has breached resistance and deformed itself into naked malice.
By refusing Palestinian aspiration, Israel has paid the highest price for their illegal occupation and their rage will not pause.
At this stage Israel are incapable of restraining their need for revenge, when the IDF force their way into Gaza, while telling the most densely packed open prison one earth to run with no where to run to, the civilian casualty rate will jump into the thousands.
As each obscene act of violence is met by another obscene act of violence, the invasion of Gaza will be a self mutilating wound that can only escalate.
New Zealand can not stand by silently while war crimes continue, and yet we are.
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By now, we should all know that Hipkins is doing as he is told.
NZ is owned by overseas masters and has been for a long while.
Five Eyes, military ties and the snare of the TPPA’s power to discipline ensures that we’ll always tow U$A’s line, and U$A is run by the dark money of its corporate owners.
+100.
It’s only unrealistic if you think that the legal responsibilities of the United Nations should be totally ignored.
One resolution in the General Assembly is enough to end the madness immediately, and gathering the support of 80% of the Non-Aligned Movement nations is enough to get it passed.
Under U.N.G.A. Res. 377A., the General Assembly may directly authorise an international peacekeeping force to “restore international peace and security” in Israel-Palestine, in order to respond to the “breach of the peace” and “act of aggression” by the occupying power, following her “attempt to alter by force” the Res. 181 partition.
Such a resolution cannot be vetoed by the Security Council.
U.N.G.A. Res. 181 states that the U.N. Palestine Commission is responsible for “maintain[ing] internal order… prevent[ing] frontier clashes… general political and military control [of the] armed militia from the residents of that State… [and] hold[ing] elections to the Constituent Assembly.”
Those responsibilities go all the way to the borders of the State of Arab Palestine: as defined in the same resolution since 1947, and never rescinded. It is the responsibility of the General Assembly to call a new meeting of the Commission, appoint new members to her, and to pass a resolution providing her with sufficient peacekeeping troops.
The 10th (began 1997 and resumed October 26) and 11th invasion of Ukraine) emergency sessions of the GA as per UNGA Res 377A are ongoing.
The tenth emergency special session of the United Nations General Assembly centers on the Israeli–Palestinian conflict: the ongoing occupation of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenth_emergency_special_session_of_the_United_Nations_General_Assembly
UN Special Committee on Palestine (UNSCOP) expired before 1950.
What UNGA Res 377A says is here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_377
Palestine Commission can’t be abolished. It’s separate from S.P.O.C.
Since there is no generally accepted acknowledgement of the existence of “Palestine”, this is effectively an Israeli civil war and thus none of our business whatsoever. IMO we should remain entirely neutral in this conflict outside of an opinion/position at the UN if asked for.
So does that mean you support a one state solution if this is a civil war?
You of all people Martyn should know that it should be Luxon commenting not Hipkins. Whatever Hipkins believes is completely irrelevant as Luxon will repeal it next week and take us back to the 80s as he is going to do with everything else.
Then not only will we be the hermit kingdom we will be the laughing stock of the rest of the world and compared to North Korea except for the guns.
Correct Uncle Toby.
Luxon had to gag one of his Muppets already. National MPs already far more incompetent than Labours but those of us with wisdom new that already.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/301000030/chris-bishop-spoken-to-by-christopher-luxon-about-strongly-worded-email-comparing-hamas-attack-to-holocaust
Regardless of the right and wrongs of this issue, there are conventions which govern the actions of outgoing PM’s.
Good point .
Chris Hipkins GUTLESS FULLSTOP.
Does anyone think New Zealand gets to decide whether there is a cease-fire or not?
In that he is being realistic.
Yes, friend.
Where is Palestine asks Gaby ,,,,, who a few weeks ago leapt at the fictitious Israel propaganda/lies of 40 beheaded babies to call for the very real mass murder of Palestinian children,,, and ethnic cleansing/genocide of Palestinians…..
Palestine is the place where more than a fe young New Zealand soldiers died in WWI ,,, it’s written on their gravestones in many New Zealand cemetery’s ,,,, I hope a dishonest zionest like Gaby does not deface them to further his bull-shit ……
Regarding the ‘two state solution’ ,,,, a broken promise on which Israel w as founded ,,, and which it has fought ever since to prevent it ever happening …..
…. Well there is approximately 500,000 ILLEGAL Israel ‘settlers’ stealing and taking over the land on which Palestine should have ,,,, these illegal settlers are the extremists, Kahanists and the most racist Jewish supremacists ,,,,, Israel would have to have a civil war to dislodge these hard-core violent nutters.
Israel ( and the Usa) would rather wage war and ethnically cleanse the Palestinians ,,,, that is their preferred and final solution for a country founded on land theft and dispossession.
A two state solution reason? But the Arab Palestinians refused their state in 1947. Are you claiming they’ve changed their minds? Why would that be?
I am pretty sure that the western nations have a co-ordinated response. It says 1) Hamas committed atrocities, 2) Israel has the right to defend itself, 3) Israel must act within the laws of armed conflict, 4) Humanitarian assistance is required including a pause from fighting, 5) Israel needs to be serious about a two state solution.
It is becoming increasingly clear that Western nations have co-ordinated and uniform responses on quite a range of issues (Ukraine, Gaza, etc). I don’t think it is simply dictated by the US, there will be a consensus between them all around it. For instance the greater recent emphasis on the two state solution.
I think part of the reason is that they know the rest of the world will not do so. They will either be neutral or directly opposed. On Israel specifically the Holocaust weighs deeply on western governments. They don’t want to be seen to abandon Israel.
Should NZ break from that? It means more than just the specific issue. It would signify a general break from the West. NZ Labour will not do that, although the Greens and Te Parti Maori would do so. But this won’t be cost free, especially with Australia. At some point this will become serious election issue, most probably from 2029 onward.
The final Great tragedy of the 20th Century, is that a people who suffered a genocide. Conducted genocide on another people in the 21st Century.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79sQoYr8bAk&t=2s
But the Jewish population declined and declined dramatically in western and central Europe in the years 1939-1945 yet increased in Palestine Pat. How can this be genocide?
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