The Left are losing Auckland, they are losing men and now we are losing youth vote…
…I think there are a couple of reasons for this:
1 – The cultural backlash against woke dogma rammed down everyones throats from online middle class activists has generated real pushback from the generation that revel in micro aggression outrage olympics. The cancel culture, the polarisation and the toxicity of it all is influencing and crystallising political opinions in real time and it is turning young people against the Left, particularly young men.
2 – Auckland hates Labour now and Auckland is huge. Young people in Auckland are smashed by a cost of living crisis, housing crisis, public transport crisis and rental crisis all at once and they blame Labour for that.
3 – National are outplaying Labour on TicTok. TicTok is a Mass Surveillance thirst trap built by the Chinese to brainwash Western youth. In New Zealand, 44% of TikTok users are 18-24. Another 22% are 25-34 and about a third of TikTok users in Aotearoa are only on TikTok; you won’t reach them on other social media channels which explains the huge amount of energy and resource National have spent on their TicTok Channel…
…the Greens barely have anything…
…and there isn’t even a NZ Labour Party TicTok account, but it looks like National have built a couple of fake Labour sites…
…National are dominating a communication channel Youth are addicted to, the Greens are barely registering and Labour are represented by a. fake social media account that looks like it’s been set up by their political rivals.
18-34 voters this year are lost in an ocean of right wing propaganda and self hating woke activists who drive young people deeper and deeper away from the Left.
Pure temple politics pushed by identity politic acolytes as opposed to Broadchurch solidarity politics using universal Left policy was always going to bite us in the arse as a political movement and it looks like that bite will be bigger than we feared.
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You reap what you sow, and Labour has sown a lot of division & failed policies.
This is great- its not just the boomers who dont want labours socialism.
Some still Seth ing about the unnecessary long lock down s in Auckland and Hamilton and total lack of urgency by govt at the Time.
Our NZ rangatahi might be young but they aren’t stupid they will vote for the Greens and Te Pati Maori in big numbers some of the rich kids born with a gold spoon in their mouths will vote for maintaining their lifestyle and follow their parent that is a vote for either National or Act.
You said they’re not stupid and then suggested they’d vote for the most philosophically and economically objectionable parties lol.
And that is your opinion Matt and your obviously not a rangatahi
What’s the cutoff for rangatahi? I’m 31 now.
I voted for the Greens at 18 before I started studying economics and political science. Not a chance in hell I’d touch them with a ten foot barge pole now and understanding economics is a key reason.
Our NZ rangatahi might be young but they aren’t stupid they will vote for the Greens and Te Pati Maori in big numbers some of the rich kids born with a gold spoon in their mouths will vote for maintaining their lifestyle and follow their parents that is a vote for either National or Act.
Are you sure they will vote at all?
So wadya all gonna do? Less than six weeks to choose…
Interesting grapgh. Looks like TPM get their biggest support from the over 55s
The black bar is NZ First. The Maori party are in brown, not at all popular with the over 55s.
Predictions are that NZF will get 7-9%.
Oops! My mistake! Nz first gets their biggest support from over 55s. Nothing new there
If this is a true picture, I wonder about the after-effects of covid.
Young people suffered disproportionately in terms of loss of education and social interaction during the pandemic, for the benefit of older people who were much more vulnerable to covid. In other words, have they been paying for the good health and survival of their grandparents’ generation? And if so, (1) are they aware of this, and (b), if so, resentful?
Or more simply, just a bit grumpy after what covid did to their lives?
Tom Gardner. Yep, Covid has impacted on everyone not leading buffered lives. Ardern’s censorious condescending H Clark cloning was something which nobody needed and it’s understandable if it peeved the young as much as it did so many others.
The discourse around the responses of 1100 eligible voters (Guardian-Essential polling) is impressive. But at best a discourse constructed from and by language and at worst crystal ball gazing.
when you read the comments of the guardian, its a bit like reading the comments here, mostly rightwingers on a left wing platform trying to prove how smart they are through cognitive dissonance. so i imagine the voting would reflect exactly that.
How many of the discontented youth will actually vote National?
Hates a strong word but in Auckland, 4 months of severe lockdown I hope has terminally damaged Labour.
Sure, whilst Jacinda and Chippy sucked up the doom and catastrophe of what 95% of scientists were telling them, without question, they also relished keeping Aucklanders in a jar, like pet insects from the outside world whilst they did normal things like leave their suburbs, see friends and loved ones, go to school, get haircuts, go to work, and go to cafes or even bloody McDonald’s! Without the fucking masks! Meanwhile crime hit the afterburners owing to Aucklands already under strength police having to man those checkpoints to stop freedom of movement and keep Auckland borders Soviet tight. All the while criminals thanked the baby Jesus for Labour!
I say I hope it’s terminal for Labour because they were warned not to do this and blindly did it anyway and kept doing it. Cheers Wellington, central planners know best! And as a warning for any other government who is tempted to go full nanny state on us, ever again! There will be a very big price to pay because Auckland changes governments!
As someone in that age range I’ve been saying for a long time that my generation was not coming to save the left.
Every generation rebels against the previous one, Gen Y came of age during the Bush years, when the left defended free speech and during the great recession and leaned left.
Gen Z came of age during the Trump era and the Pandemic, where the govt was omnipresent and dictated your day to day life, many young people feel like crucial years of their lives were stolen, they also grew up during an era where toxic political radicalism was everywhere on all sides.
Of course gen z are going to be moderates with libertarian values after the pandemic stole their youthes and after coming of age during an era of angry radical left and right politics that achieved absolutely nothing but screaming matches.
Young people also will always oppose incumbents and the status quo.
Gen z are total suckers for individualism, ethical consumerism, have extreme brand loyalty, care more about Stan culture than politics and have been raised by brand sponsored influencers … They are perfect little capitalists lol.
Philosophy Corey – what we need to understand, I think. And further those things that you referred to should be talked about at regular meetings with a bit of conviviality but kept on track of perhaps a question for the night, or two. Might be what do we want, and actually what do we need to have a good life and functioning society that gives everyone a go, and will what we are discussing do this? With a final question – do we want a society that is fair, which means we can’t have everything that we want? Talk is cheap but converted into action takes energy and will so what is done needs to be thought out for best outcomes as undoing, something without damaging the foundations and structure, is well-nigh impossible.
The Guardian? UK? Taking Our Polls? I am outraged. What do they know about us? And…what do we know about us?? Anything true and actionable (not as in legal but as in physical movement with mental same, attached)? Questions without answers!
https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO2308/S00084/essential-launches-monthly-new-zealand-poll.htm
Essential has launched a new monthly poll tracking voting intention and public attitudes to political and social issues in New Zealand. While Essential is an Australian company, the Kiwi poll will be conducted by an Auckland-based researcher, who has over 20 years of experience conducting social research and political polling in New Zealand…
Mmm.. who might that be?
The Essential Report Aotearoa New Zealand will be published on the second Wednesday of every month at essentialreport.co.nz. And discussed in the Guardian.
Perhaps something imaginative might draw youf back to Labour. A UK idea:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbafT2w0cCQ
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I would largely agree with Corey, Ben Waimata and BWAV’s conclusions although we may differ on some of the reasoning. I am cautious about treating youth (or Maori, Pakeha, Boomers etc) as a homogeneous group that all think the same and have the same values. They don’t. But if I was to make a generalisation, youth don’t think in terms of left and right and many are not that interested in politics. I went to uni a number of years back as an older student. In the one political science paper I took it was only the older students who wanted to engage and discuss. The younger students were only concerned about what they had to know to get a pass mark and then to get a job.
They certainly don’t think in terms of political parties in the way many posters on this site do. They don’t have either the background or ingrained indoctrination from parents. My daughters (in their 20’s) are both concerned about social justice, support world vision children, give to causes, are concerned about the environment, etc but get turned off by cancel culture. I suspect they both voted for Labour last time but neither will again. Both are disgusted by Labour’s lack of action on poverty, cost of living and a number of other issues. In particular the fact that they had an absolute majority and were better placed than any previous government to make transformational change but were all talk and no action. I don’t know who they’ll vote for this time (the Green’s wokeness is a turn off) but they don’t have the hatred and fear of National that some on this blog have. For them it is more a case of ‘this lot did nothing with a majority, no point in voting for them, try someone else’.
For my daughter living and studying in Auckland the issues that have confronted her include lockdown, cost of rent, rising cost of food, seeing poverty and homelessness on Queen Street, crime, safety and security. None of these are issues that she believes the present government have addressed. So time for a change. When you are confronted by issues like this on a daily basis then it’s hard to think much beyond that and I suspect that is the reality for a lot of young people.
Another turn-off for a number of young people I know is the deplorable state of the mental health system in New Zealand. Those I’ve talked to who have tried the services, almost all find it unhelpful, cold, heartless and with a high emphasise of just prescribing meds and trying to fit them into boxes and get them ticked off in the system. Few found they were really listened to and provided good coping skills. And some of the reported interactions I’d consider unethical – such as bringing in students to observe without asking the ‘patients’ permission. Very hard for those who find it hard to open up to even one person.
I don’t see any party that has a good mental health policy but the present system is not working from what I can see.
It’s Broad Church not Broadchurch.
Many voted Jacinda in to lower house prices. that won’t happen again. Chippy is a rat.
Labour is micro-managing the country. If there’s one thing liked less by youth than being told what to do in every aspect of their life, I don’t know what it is. Govt needs to fuck off out of peoples lives.
We need fewer laws and more responsible young citizens who work well at useful stuff,and get rewarded for their work so they can have a good life. I can see that as a goal and a promise to be kept. I think such people of all kinds, need to gather together under a banner of Good Strong Kiwis, which as can be noticed, includes the word iwi.
So the group grows and looks to co-operate and respect each other and work in set ways of quality, loyalty, sharing and total commitment, and hold monthly meetings for discussion, assessment, goal-forming, future likelihoods, report them briefly on the internet and by email, not just on facebook or other major platforms.
If government is to get the fuck out of people’s lives, we need to form self-managing groups that aim to work alongside local government and get central government to a healthy state so it has good business and rural/environmental goals and also most of the old welfare system behind. The saying below fits the belief of people who would belong to the enterprise group Good Strong Kiwis:
The phrase “A Rising Tide Lifts All Boats” is a metaphorical expression that means that when there is overall improvement or progress in a given situation, everyone involved will benefit, regardless of their circumstances. 21 Āpe 2023
A Rising Tide Lifts All Boats- Saying Explained
Benjamin Wann.com https://benjaminwann.com › blog › a-rising-tide-lifts-all-
Could it be that the people representing ‘the left’ on campus are the most toxically awful people you’ll ever meet, so the rest just run away from them?
Fun for you all in finding out who recently said the following:
… because the people in charge didn’t pay any attention to the effects at all, and so with the average millennial it is far less likely that his parents are married or own a home, he owns his own car or they own two cars. We’ve saddled people with overwhelming levels of debt—student loan debt primarily, but other kinds, too—that we’ve basically crushed an entire generation of kids. And they’re really angry.
When people don’t get married and don’t buy homes and aren’t rooted in the society long term, they’re volatile and scary, and their politics tend to be crazy. It’s really bad. You don’t want to ever let that happen. We let it happen. We didn’t pay any attention at all. All of that money was transferred to the Baby Boomers, and they’re about to feel the effects of that because economic populism is the future. I don’t want it. I’m just telling you. I’d bet my house on it. Bernie Sanders is going to seem moderate compared to the next guy.
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