You can’t accuse this Poll of being a right wing noose to strangle NZ Democracy with, it’s the fucking Guardian love…
Guardian Essential poll New Zealand: National holds clear lead over Labour as election nears
Inaugural report shows Labour languishing on 29% of the vote while National records 34.5% as cost of living concerns dominate
…this is the Guardian’s first Poll tracking NZs election so it will be interesting to see what they see.
National – 34.5%
Labour – 29%
ACT – 11.6%
Greens – 8.5%
Māori Party – 2.5%
NZF – 5.3%
What it shows is just how close this election is going to be.
Labour dropping under 30% highlights that if all Labour does is remove GST from fruit and vegetables they will lose the election thanks to boredom.
People are haemorrhaging money every week at the Supermarket, food inflation is 12.5%, add in the petrol cost increases and the horticultural damage caused by extreme climate events and the true spike run food prices hasn’t been felt yet!
Removing GST off all food in Supermarkets, Dairies and Convenience stores (not fast food) will look like Labour have listened to the pain of the people and while the smug snidely laugh at the desperate thinking they’ll get the full 15% off their total supermarket bill, those wankers are merely highlighting their own privilege because Kiwis are struggling with food costs as their mortgages, rents and cost of everything is fuelled by price gouging corporations who use their market dominance to extract monopoly rentals from us.
If Chippy doesn’t do something shortly, there won’t be enough sausage rolls at the local RSA Rugby Club Lions Rotary Working Man Union Pub to go around and he will have allowed the most extreme right wing Government since Roger Douglas waltz into power and destroy the fabric of this country.,
No pressure Chippy.
That the Māori Party languish in this poll is no surprise, TVNZ and TV3 both have terrible history recording Māori Vote, and I’m not surprised if the Guardian does the same.
There is an MMP G-spot that sees the Māori Party creating an overhang if they get more electorates than Party vote. That would be funny.
The big news is NZ First over 5%, that is enormous news and shows we are facing a splintered MMP spectrum election that has every chance of throwing up oddities as the political spectrum fractures and the middle implodes seeing voters trying new options to break the current paradigms.
This could well propel Raf and TOP into consideration as well.
This election just got a lot more fascinating.
There is also a TU Curia Poll due later this week.
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Labour do this.
We promise starting the day after the election “NO GST ON FOOD”
FOOD PRICES SLASHED. Supermarket Food Bill. Was $100 Now $87. Only under Labour. Starts Mon 9 Oct. Don’t Forget To Vote.
You do have to tell the politicians who work for you what to do 🙂
They will have to find the lost GST revenue somewhere though. I expect they will hike GST on everything else to 17.5% (the same most of Europe). How do you like the policy now?
You must be dreaming
All of a sudden, we have a new poll funny that.
Yes what the hell is the new guardian poll. If its associated with the guardian paper in the UK it’s no wonder they got this result. They are perennial critics of anything left of Putin and were continually sniping at NZs covid response while their Government was fucking useless.
If our media and I include you Martin need to report this poll god help us.
Labour have achieved little over the last six years and now the chickens are coming home to roost .The their ministers let us down badly by dragging their heels to get us up and running after the covid fear deminished .Little failed to bring in nurses and by the time they dropped the rules Australia had got those on board . The passport office is another example as they were caught out with staff shortages to issue passports .Now it is 20 working days after a year.
Re GST of food I do not think I am a wanker by stating the obvious that it is a bad idea for so many reasons and only the deluded would think it will help anyone .The appliance costs will drive many small dairies and fruit and veg shops out of business while giving a few dollars more to the poor but a lot of dollars to the rich .
A cash payment direct to those in need would far better or drop GST completely and replace with another tax
Trevor The small dairies, fruit and vege shops, corner shops, bakeries, and mini markets must be saved. The simplest option would be to make all of their merchandise gst free. If that includes light bulbs and dish mops fine, it’s not as if these shops are likely to branch out into big stuff like fridges or sofas.This could be done; they could revert back to the cohesive and convenient role of the corner shop in the social community before the advent of millionaires’ supermarkets.
The commentors here would love it. They want Labour gone so National can screw over the poor and the workers by cutting wages, imposing user payers healthcare, restricting access to benefits, increasing rents and getting rid of anything not making a profit.
People like Anker, SaveNZ and XRay should be ashamed of turning their backs on Labour and suppiorting parties that will inflict misery across this country.
Is the thought of a supermarket worker getting $24 an hour really that replusiive to you?
Millsy, would you like everyone in NZ on $100/hr, regardless of what they do for work, or not work.?
Good idea.?
For simplicity, the $4000/week pay packet should be paid out by the government, through IRD maybe.
Or Winz.
Would that make you happy?
Better than $1 hour like you want them to.
Are you 12? It would explain a lot.
Are you a right wing boomer gammon who resents the working poor getting higher wages and job security.
I didn’t turn my back on Labour Millsy. They turned their back on me. They smeared women who were speaking up for single sex spaces.
They changed the law to let men into our change rooms. You as a women hater love that, don’t you Millsy. You don’t care about women having privacy in change rooms you women hater….
See how it feels Millsy when someone communicates like that with you and second guesses your motives?
For gods sake man, come on here and argue your point, not mind read other commenters Last chance or going forward I will just ignore you
Well you didnt have to go and vote for a party that wants to freeze the wages of the lower paid and slash public services.
Something told me that you never were all that left in the first place.
And also, those anti vaxxers you love wanted to kill young female journalists. Is that something you support?
Millsy is a paid hack.
Least I am not a racist homophobic, anti poor, anti worker NACT supporter like you.
Millsy must be under 21 years old surely?
Her? comments just scream a naivety that has been birthed by the woke shitstorm the young and clueless swallow whole every day . .
Not only do trans women using the women’s public toilets not pose a threat to cis women in the vast majority of cases but a study from 2019 of 37,000 US teens aged 13 to 17 found 36% of trans and non-binary students with restricted bathroom or locker room access reported being sexually assaulted in the last 12 months
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/05/06/health/trans-teens-bathroom-policies-sexual-assault-study/index.html
Also if we applied your position equally then you’d end up with masculine trans men in women’s toilets instead so your position is just silly…
But in any case is this issue really important enough to you that you’re willing to co-sign all the crazy shit ACT wants to do like allow ministers to override the decisions of entire health boards as they announced yesterday? (so much for local government being able set rules that work for their communities as they fearmongered with the Maori health wards and three waters lmao)
Of course foodstuffs shouldn’t be taxed, but plonkers sitting on comfortable incomes can’t relate to things that don’t impact on them. They don’t listen to the people. We saw that at the Parliamentary Protest. They even support violently shutting women up. We saw that at Albert Park.
Their sneaky little attempts to undermine the democratic process with ploys like the seemingly mad sociologists at Victoria University of Wellington’s Extremist Centre would be comical, if they weren’t so implicitly self-serving and dangerous.
For those of us who would not vote for Nats who are no better than the soon-to-be Labour Opposition Party, Winston Peters and New Zealand First, supporting freedom of speech, and not supporting the gender ID ideology snaking through the school curriculum, offers a pretty healthy alternative. With a bit of luck, Mr Peters may also have no great antipathy towards having a Commissioner for Vulnerable Children either, being a real sort of man. Back to basics for the kids is good place to start.
You really hate those LGBT’s, don’t you?
No we all really hate women bashers and women silencers. Just like we did 40 years ago.
Except for when they are young female journalists who support vaccination. Then you are fine with them getting raped and murdered by rabid antivaxxers.
Millsy how prejudice of you!
You have left out two spirit people! And Queers, intersex and asexuals!
Its 2SLGBTQIA+. You just hate those two spirit, queer, intersex and asexuals don’t you!
You are getting more and more reactionary Christian every day. As I said, you weren’t all that left in the first place. You have also never really stated whether you want workers to get payrises or not.
You do know that the anti vax protestors you idolise threatened to murder young female journalists, do you? Or doesn’t that count?
Quick millsy, transgenderise now and you’ll be safe forever more. Down the Sallies for a frock, on with the lippy, experience the pure joy. Could get to be an Education Dept advisor and get more dosh. Easy peasy money. Enjoy.
War, or Peace
Tax Justice, or austerity
Climate action now, or kicking the can to 2050
2023 possibly the most important election of your life.
Winston is getting full halls around the country apparently. So interest must be high
Labour in the 20’s. Would mean vast swathes of there multi talented back bench would be wiped out. & Chippie promised them he would save them all. At what point do the Labour back benchers realize there are not enough life boats.
If Labour make any announcement regarding the removal of gst from food they completely seal their fate. If that is all they have to offer they deserve to be wiped out and even the top 35 on their list who have allowed Chippy to make his stupid captains calls shouldn’t have their useless bums warming seats in Parliament.
The bare minimum Labour must announce is
A restructured income tax that is even better for low earners than TPM
0 to 30,000 0% tax
30,000 to 60,000 10% tax
60,000 to 120,000 15% tax
Over 120,000 start raking it back in leading to a maximum of 45 to 55% over 200,000
A similar graduated company tax so that a greater tax is placed on the big companies (supermarkets, petrol suppliers, power, communications internet and banks)
A 50% tax on all money paid to parent companies outside of NZ. ( Although I am guessing secret clauses in our much heralded free trade agreements probably ban this)
This should be accompanied by a detailed plan to cut government spending. Telling us about tunnels in Auckland in 30 years time is stupid. Getting Blackrock to talk up $2b to help reach Zero carbon by 2050 is pathetic.
WE DON’T FUCKING CARE ABOUT 2050. WE MIGHT HAVE OUR POWER CUT OFF NOW BECAUSE WE CAN’T PAY THE FUCKING BILL AND OUR MORTGAGE GOES THRU THE ROOF SOON AND YOU CUNTS HAVE SPENT ALL THE MONEY AND NOW YOU WANT US POOR TO PAY IT BACK.
This is where Acts plan for government services hits the right notes. People are sick of bureaucracy and consultants in government. Any plan to put a lid on government spending in this area no matter how nebulous will have support.
Failing any of this Chippy could stand down and (insert name here) could take over.
The problem is there is no ‘insert name here’ and Labour lack not just credible leadership but credible ideas as well.
You do realize that cuts to government sending include cuts to services like health, education, social housing and welfare, etc don’t you?
Who can Winston work with? Seymour or Hipkins?
Joseph. If Hipkins is Helen and Jacinda’s love child, and Luxon has the misfortune to look and act like a nursery rhyme, and Seymour is the smart-Alec fourth former, Peters has to be the front runner.
Like 100%
Well Joseph considering this was a Online Poll and probably did not include many potential NZ First voters. Could be 7% plus on the night.
So all the other leaders will be desperate for a cup of tea with him.
Marco+ Battler. I’ll be more than happy to donate the tea. Chippy can bring his sausage rolls, and the man- hating Green girls will have to bring their politically correct chocolate. The Mad Hatter seems keen on McDonalds, and Peters’ll bring home the bacon. Yep, it’s a beautiful day.
Yep. Labour are circling the drain and Robertson pissing $120B up against a wall during CovidCult has meant it is really difficult to bribe your way out of this hole. The only thing propping up Labour is the countless middle class government tit-suckers dependent on the spend-a-thon shit show currently in operation.
Who would have though having a collapsing health and education sector; lawlessness and gang pandering and promoting an Ethno-state would have essentially halved your support over the past 24 months. Still WEF & Blackrock are managing your funds for a James-Shaw orgasm therefore according to Megan Woods everything is fine in the world.
Quick question – when Hipkins gets <25% on election night – who replaces him – Kelvin, Megan or are we back to Angry?
Semi consistent with Roy Morgan so some trending credibility.
And this further that, one with NZF as doable as well. After ACTS self indulgence announcements in the past week, which they may have well over egged pudding in sheer arrogance and stupidity, Winston being viable may pick up voters that were hitherto destined for ACT from dissatisfied Labour/Nat voters. I can’t underscore just how dumb the ACT strategy has been in the past 7 days.
Labour sinking is no surprise. By my reckoning, voters are not taking much of any notice of them and Ginny Anderson asking for National to preserve the firearms registry should they win was revealing because I’m guessing their internal polling is looking bad. Not sure if she intended to speak out loud like that however!
How about we go all nanny state and ban phones in schools. That will fix the cost of living and climate.
Some Schools are already doing this so why do you need to campaign on it?
Because we’re too busy being mummy state making judder bars and reducing speed limits to 30km/hr to keep us “safe” and “kind”!
“Things fall apart; the center cannot hold; / Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, / The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere / The ceremony of innocence is drowned; / The best lack all conviction, while the worst / Are full of passionate intensity.”
Hate to be the thorn in the side. But come on. Polls? It’s been said before I know. But don’t buy into the narrative.
https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO2308/S00084/essential-launches-monthly-new-zealand-poll.htm
What I don’t get is in an MMP environment like NZ what do they ask the 1100 ‘eligible voters’ anyway. Questions about everything from understanding of the big political announcements to awareness of pop culture trends, according to the blurb. But for the purpose of covering the lead up to the election, ‘preferred government’ is the headline. So is this a direct question asked of the 1100 eligible voters or is the answer a result of some cross tabulation based on the responses to other questions? In the real world of MMP of course eligible voters have two votes and I’m not sure if any of the polls can capture this nuance.
Anyway, it’s all media driven. And big data for God knows who. At worst polls probably have a pretty big influence on swing voters in the 11th hour.
Top just threw hundreds of votes away when Raf showed what a woke snowflake he is when he refused to engage with Plunket on the Platform. There are literally hundreds of comments from potential Top voters dumping Top because Raf is no better than the disinformation project, Labour and others too frightened to talk with journos who don’t endorse their policy.
And the last neoliberal kick in the guts from the “labour” party before they sliver off into obscurity is the Blackrock betrayal .
While the prospects of re-election have been marginal at the very best for some time, the announcement of new road tunnel proposals for Auckland put the last nail into the coffin. While the planet is boiling, big parts of NZ are being devasted by extreme weather, and growing numbers of people falling into the poverty trap, who thought it was a good idea to try and win over Auckland with this so obviously naive and false proposal? Talk about not noticing the Elephant in the Room. Where before I was prepared to give Labour my vote, for want of a better choice, now I’m not so sure anymore. It doesn’t seem that there is any good choice left.
With the exception of TMP which I’d feel are more like 3.5% this feels quite authentic to me.
Labour will be ‘Out of it, for you’ and we are mostly all so grateful.
Especially all of us old Labour voters who detest its new tail wagging, sycophantic global capitalist iteration.
Not sure about the saintly RAFs chances Bomber.
You should see his Prince Andrew moment on the Platform with Sean P. He sounds insufferably woke and comes across as rather ‘unKiwi’. Be interesting to know if Wigram is more of a Kiwi or Woke electorate. Should see it, its quite funny. Sean’s being a bit mean but its what I’d call electoral ‘car crash’ TV.
The last open speach, them farm fence, not sprining the play ground prefect, got the teachers, who, if caring. political blind, whould understand our caring education.
Eh! the school care,, social, learned understand, Aotearoa/New Zealand, ask my tama!s, my Scot, Maori, who taught us this father, scare egits barricades your stupidity.
Shall, eh got a train, thank fuck i missed it, not a socialist care that train.
Bomber, the shit care i get daft about, care,, no need publish,, just care knowing.
Taxi, today,, the drive, asked, my accent, how long you lived in New Zealand, fifty five years,, your accent, yes, have not found a better one.
Whit, egit, Thought, that, slogan.
I went to Winstons public meeting in Dargaville – 500 people (absolutely packed), no media. Then last week went to his meeting in Whangarei, way over 500 people, they had to use an overflow room. No media.
I think Winston is going to get 8 or 9% this election. That’s why act has unleashed dirty attack ads against Winston as they hate the thought of New Zealand First being a handbrake of their rogernomics austerity.
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