First, this basic bitch attempt by National to conflate Gangs voting Labour as Labour supporting Gangs is stupid enough to appeal to National voters.
Secondly, National have seized upon Harry Tam endorsing Labour and the Greens as evidence of Labour’s cuddle-a-crim softness on crime policies but isn’t it more to do with the fact that National haven’t even bothered to cost their jail revenge fantasy and Harry is a fiscal conservative who doesn’t want National and ACT spending billions and billions and billions on a Prison Empire with orange jump suited chain gangs breaking rock singing “Old man river”.
Isn’t Harry right to demand fiscal accountability from National?
After announcing their Prison Empire at conference, Paul Goldsmith and Chris Luxon both claimed the cost of a prisoner was $100 000 each year when the real amount is $193 000.
If you are intending to throw thousands more back into prison, shouldn’t you have some idea how much it’s going to cost?
How is it that National can promise a counter productive draconian prison empire with no costings and still have the audacity to point to Gangs voting Labour as a policy position?
Why is Harry’s supposed self interest as a gang member voting Labour any different from Luxon’s self interest as a multiple property owner voting for National?
National are manipulating your fear and anger over crime and you are allowing them to manipulate you.
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A better question would be why Labour isn’t pivoting towards 1990s-era Joe Biden: a full-on, mass incarceration “war” against “super-predators” that were “born out of wedlock”, as Joe and Hillary used to say.
It would take away any ability for the Tories to attack them on the issue, with virtually no risk. One wonders if they are worried that it may expose their very poor record of improving living standards in the slums (which is certainly the case within the Democratic Party).
Why would any ordinary voter think organised crime supporting Labour Greens is a bad thing? That Harry Tam is a smart cookie though. Outed poor old Ingrid who just accidentally thought a gang convention was a boring old electoral commission do. Anyone could have. Done I myself so often I’ve lost count!
And the rich listers ‘gang’ want Nat/Act. What needs to be highlighted is what the ‘rich’ require from Nat/Act in return for their megadollar donations.
In reply to Peter Kelly, they require a med school in the Waikato for their kids to attend as it is closer to their homes/farms and businesses. A med school in the Waikato is duplication, more bureaucracy and a waste of money to please the gentry.
Thomas there is no such thing as a crime free country not in this day and age.
Thomas, do you really believe locking people up in our current corrections facilities stops crime? Haven’t we just seen with the inquiry into abuse in state care, and the conditions in Oranga Tamariki facilities, that the opposite is true?
If we keep doing the same thing don’t expect a different outcome.
Thomas, there is no quick fix, and politicians promising one are simply vote hunting. The only solution is a rebalancing of equality within society. When National or Labouf say how they are going to enable renters to buy the homes they are currently renting then they will get my vote – maybe by reinventing State Advances which enabled many Kiwi families into homes before foreign banks took control would be a good start on the journey.
Another thought would be a further increase in Police numbers, especially in small towns (Community Constables). It was once said that “the greatest deterrent is the fear of getting caught”, I’m not sure that holds so true anymore, but I’m sure a greater Police presence would be valuable and at least provide the resource to respond in a timely manner to incidents.
You only have to see how a Police car in a stream of traffic changes peoples driving habits to realise that visibility matters in policing.
A man is judged by the company he keeps.
Depends on who the man is Andrew in this country.
Key and the Chow bros?
TikTok bans gang accounts because they are a criminal enterprise but neither woke NZ police HQ or the Labour Party have figured that out yet, it’s why crime is through the roof.
Yep crims voting Labour says a lot, Labour MP lying about going to gang conference, priceless.
Anyone who thinks that the ram raids will stop and the gangs will pack up and go home when National win the election is completely delusional.
And Harry Tam knows that National and ACT’s economic and social policies will just drive more people into the arms of the gangs. As benefits and wages are cuts, and social services are reduced, people are just going to just say ‘fuck it’, I’m going to just take what want, because the money men will take it if they dont.
We need a return to sensible gang policies. None of this nonsense about ‘stakeholders’ and cushy jobs for Wellington bureaucrats. We need to return to Muldoon. Some fellas are getting up to mischief. Give em jobs helping out the community instead.
While I hesitate to tar every job with the same brush but I do know one of Muldoon’s gang job cost 10 times the going rate for the fence job they did.
Now, some of these may not have been as efficient as say bringing in random Filipinno builders as is the current government policy, but consider the fact that these blokes are here, and if they’re not putting in fences they’re going to be doing something. Cheap at the price.
Read a column about Swedish prison model which reduces redicivism on this very blog site. Rather than endless therapy, or in the case of labour bugger all rehab, they get prisoners doing apprenticeships or learning to read and write. Seymour has stressed his billion dollar spend on incarceration would include rehab
We have to be tough on gangs. They are anti social and run criminal activities.
Giving money to Harry Tan for his drug program is an insult to well trained evidence based practitioners. Last I hear Tam produced no results by which his programmes could be assessed
So you think that turning NZ into a police state is the way to go then. We just execute gang members in cold blood. You desperately want to be able to harangue queer people online, but you want the cops to go to town on Maori in broad daylight with their PR24’s. That’s a pretty sick definition of freedom.
Harry is sharp. Agencies and politicians would do well to keep him in their court.
Harry understands reality even if we generally sometimes can’t work him out.
Go Harry!
Why do you think New Zealanders even care how much it costs to house a prisoner when they desperately want the crims locked up so they can feel safe going outside the front door again?
Hey I reckon Harry is the man with the street credentials….check out:-
https://e-tangata.co.nz/korero/harry-tam-still-standing-up-for-himself/
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