‘Ineffective, expensive, inequitable’ – expert on Nats’ crime policy
An expert has slammed National’s proposed law and order reforms, saying the party’s policy is “retrograde”.
At a party conference over the weekend, National said wanted to limit judge discretion in sentencing, curb the use of cultural reports, and offer rehabilitation to remand prisoners that are awaiting sentencing.
AUT law dean and parole board member Khylee Quince told Breakfast: “There was not a lot of inspiring policy proposed in this suite of reforms, nothing new here really. I’d sum it up by saying ‘ineffective, expensive and inequitable’.”
It comes after data released in March showed retail crime had increased by 39% over the year prior.
But National’s announcement “is fear-mongering”, Quince said.
“They’ve cherry-picked certain categories of crime there, [and] the media chooses to highlight certain types of crime at any given time.
The National Party Conference was held over the weekend where Chris Luxon launched a whole range of kneejerk law and order policies that were ill thought out and stupid.
I wrote that within a week National would have walked back all this nonsense once journalists started asking actual questions of the policy to strip Judges of discretion, impose harsher sentences and somehow force prisoners on remand to complete rehabilitation programs.
Hilariously Chris was walking things back within 24 hours!
Note how empty the National Party Conference actually was to remind yourself National doesn’t have wide enough support to fill the ground floor..
…National claim the soft-on-crime-cuddle-a-crim Labour Party are fecklessly letting out 4000 prisoners while the crime rate soars. What they don’t understand is Labour lowered the prison population using National Party Prison policy that allowed for non violent offenders to apply for home detention while in prison. The only difference between National’s use of their policy and Labour’s is that Labour provided prisoners with help filling out the forms because most prisoners are illiterate.
If National don’t understand the current prison policy, how can they provide solutions?
National claimed they would get prisoners on remand to complete rehabilitation programs, but you can’t use any rehabilitation programs unless you accept your guilt. Why would prisoners on remand waiting trial admit guilt?
Do National actually know what they are talking about?
We had this surreal situation over the weekend where Journalists bombarded National for costing of this mass incarceration policy and they had no numbers. Asked what the cost of a NZer in prison per annum was, Paul Goldsmith and Chris Luxon said “$100,000,” when the actual cost is $193 000″.
How can a Party push extreme uncosted policy like this and pretend to be a Government in waiting?
My fear is that ACT and National can’t actually tell the difference between the Mongrel Mob, Headhunters, Hells Angels, Black Power or Comancheros and that’s an enormous problem because the gangs who flooded Opotiki to mourn the murder of their President and who freaked middle NZ out so much last week, are not the same as the sophisticated Cartel linked gangs who are making enormous profit from NZs meth trade.
How will banning gang patches prevent the 501 syndicates from importing south american cartel meth?
We ask Judges to be independent and use mercy in their decision making, National wants to rob Judges of that discretion and force them to impose heavy sentences even if there are mitigating circumstances.
Do National want justice or a lynch mob?
Those derided ‘cultural reports’ give Judges insight into the criminal to see ion there is anything redeemable here rather than the simply brutality off imprisonment!
WE. WANT. JUDGES. TO. HAVE. THIS. INSIGHT!!!!!!!
National don’t actually understand the Prison Empire they built when last in power, their solutions to remove discretion from Judges, impose harsher sentences while pretending rehabilitation programs (that can never and will never work in remand) are the silver bullets.
This isn’t a law and order debate, this is a right wing wet dream fantasy that has little basis in reality. None of the ‘solutions’ National are offering will do the things they say they are attempting to solve!
If anything, it will cause an explosion in the prison population which will ultimately lead to a full blown prison riot as the underfunded, over crowded, violent jail population (minus any of the joke rehabilitation National are promising) will event horizon into a black hole of misery and suffering!!!
So why is our crime rate soaring?
Well, we have to acknowledge the unprecedented importation of 501s bringing a culture of criminal violence far in excess of what was generated by our domestic gangs. Labour can’t be blamed for that!
We also have to acknowledge that dairy crime was far higher in 2016 when National were last in power than they are now!
What is generating the majority of the current crime wave however is the same thing that is generating crime waves throughout the post-covid Western World.
The same is happening in Australia, UK, Canada and America.
Post covid societal and economic stresses causing crime waves at the same time there is 12.1% food inflation and a cost of living crisis while surviving the ongoing economic, cultural and social impacts of climate crisis storms and geopolitical shockwaves is as predictable as National having to walk something back 24 hours after Luxon says it!
Of course crime is exploding everywhere because the covid sacrifice was felt unevenly across our unequal society, pretending building more uncosted fucking prisons is a solution to all of that is sophistry at its most intellectually bankrupt.
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The thing that Nat/ACT really don’t seem to understand is, that gangs are a creation of prison. More gang members walk out of prison than walk in. Their prison policy will just creat a large number of converts to gang life. But hey! It’s not about actually doing something about crime, it’s about the appearance of doing something about it.
I can safely says after nearly 6 years of Labours Plan A, it’s a collosal dismissal failure. Ask the guys down in Christchurch who apprehended a thief this week only to be told by the woke neutered police, to let him go. Perhaps the police were only ceding to the inevitable, nothing would happen even if they did arrest him! Very sad situation though!
Previously posted by scotty… cant remember you attacking National back then XRAY?
Where was Mark (meat roll) Mitchell in 2017- no where to be seen .
https://twitter.com/i/status/1672822657308590080
So Xray, how could the Police have responded any differently under National who provided far fewer officers?
Would you rather him be lynched, what the guys in Christchuch would have ended up doing.
Love the photo. Come on Bob the First tell us which one is you.
He’s the one holding hands with Krautet Haus, singing Kumbaya Wheel.
For a bunch of Clintonite hacks, the Labour Party doesn’t seem to be very good at the neo-liberal ‘triangulation’ they’re always going on about.
We all know the corporate political donors will never let New Labour change economic policy. But they seem to have forgotten exactly how their heroes, Bill Clinton and Joe Biden, made their names: being so tough on crime that nobody could possibly attack them on that issue.
Most people reading this newsletter would understand that you won’t be able to build prisons fast enough if the economy is collapsing, and wages are cratering. But even a socialist government would still need to smash the cartels, the mafia and the motorcycle gangs — and unless you’re sending every one of them to the gallows, that inevitably means more prison cells and more policemen.
Yes, championing bad policy to combat the consequences of bad policy, not the wisest move to make.
$193K per annum suggests a law abiding single unemployed on jobseeker should be receiving this amount as well, along with a guaranteed roof over their heads, three meals a day and access to health, education and employment opportunities. Otherwise this is gross inequality. Maybe get humanitarian Tony Ellis to fight for the unemployed not in prison.
The report just out shows Labour is not doing a good job of running the prisons so obviously they need a change of direction.
National offer looks good to me .
The empty hall at the conference – what an eye opener!
It doesnt take a genius to see National is effed but that empty room says it all. Used to be full of small business owners hobnobbing and grifting but know its like a Sunday service in an Anglican Church. Or as my old Mum would say – 3 hairs and a nit.
The government that spent 50 million dollars on NOT building light rail and a similar amount on NOT building a skypath cannot use cost as a reason not to enforce the rule of law.
In fact, it must be done, almost regardless of the cost because this country is spiraling out of control.
Labour, their policy on crime and incarseration, the farm fence well indulged with fences the National cronnies saying oxymoronic, our crime policy its cost effective, it shall look after those incarcerated, rehabilitate those and our youth boot camps leg braclets, shall educate them. Aye, outside farm fence justice policy these people always endevour to do, is our caring social policies of education health and caring.
Uffendale, this uni arrogant farm fence riddicule fat you, look at me, why this arrogance, of sexual abuse be allowed in parliaments farm back benches.
Lol.
Today TikTok banned a heap of gang associated accounts for being criminal organizations from NZ TikTok despite the fact woke police HQ and woke Labour don’t actually recognize gangs as criminal organizations.
Retards.
Do we even wonder why crime is getting so bad and gang numbers exploding?
We have absolute idiots in the beehive, vote them out at the election, possibly charge them for sponsoring crime with their 2.8 million mob subsidy.
Just how bad does it have to get?
I take it you think that cops should be just able to just gun down gang members in cold blood then. Maybe put on white hood and hang them from a lamppost? Perhaps just arrest random Maori and put them in some kind of camp?
fARM fence, lock them all up, brain dead thought even bring back the birch.
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