ACT gun policy is an ‘attack’ on Kiwis’ safety, police union says
The police union has called out ACT’s gun policy, saying the party can’t have any credibility on law and order while wanting to scrap the incoming gun registry.
ACT announced on Friday it, if in power, would repeal most of the gun registry, leaving exceptions for pistols and restricted weapons.
Police confirmed on Thursday the registry will begin to be rolled out on June 24, forcing owners to register their guns and details with the police.
ACT love guns. The Gun fetish clique have over run them and their policy is totally insane.
Look, there are a billion legitimate reasons to be scathing of the manner in which Police incompetence led to the Christchurch terrorist gaining access to the weapons he did, and we should be critical of Police at all times, but the gun registry is a perfectly sound and legitimate regulation over those who want guns!
What is dictating this decision by ACT are the feelings of the gun owners who are offended that the Police would encroach into their privacy, and while over reach should always be avoided, a gun registry is in no way shape or form an egregious intrusion by the State.
ACT are a right wing values party and as such their policy is drenched in hard right ideology that is driven not be science or reason, but naked blind obedience to those right wing values.
A gun registry makes social sense, ACT will repeal it because they don’t believe the State has any business regulating guns in the first place, they will risk public safety for purely ideological reasons.
ACT wants to rewrite the Treaty and then force it upon Māori without understanding the race war they would ignite in doing so.
I simply don’t believe that the majority of Kiwis have any idea just how radical right the ACT Party are and how much influence they will have over Chris Luxon in implementing much of that far right agenda.
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Their Treaty stance is probably why Brooke Van Nothing to See Here was all worked up about teaching NZ history in schools. Doesn’t pay to educate people about what actually happened when you are trying wash over stuff.
As for the gun issue they make nonsensical bullshit arguments that criminals won’t obey the law! No shit, that’s what makes you a criminal. It doesn’t mean you don’t take any action.
It’s a key piece of legislation that prevents future terrorist attacks. SMH.
Precisely how would a register have stopped the Chch shooter?
Gun Registry is good policy that needs to stay, it will help over time, to sort out legitimate gun owners from the nutzos.
Nicole McKee has somewhat downplayed her role in COLFO–NZ Council of Licensed Firearms Owners since becoming an ACT MP. When I looked at their site prior to her joining ACT it was quite clear COLFO had links to the US NRA via international sports shooting associations. Their online media appears to have since been cleansed.
https://colfo.org.nz/index.php
They make out it is a grass roots organisation but is in fact more a front for the Firearms industry and other related business operators.
ACT needs to be flogged mercilessly in the Election campaign over their warm gun love.
The gun registry is a joke. It won’t capture the real threat that is organized crime and otherwise won’t step a Brendon Tarrant-type attack occurring in the future.
It will be used by the Police as a political weapon ala Rachel Stewart.
That Bomber wants this type of control in the Police’s hands is astonishing.
More than half of stolen recovered firearms have the serial number ground off.
I guess that number goes to 100% after the register?
So says the Police Union.
The same Police that handed an Australian terrorist both a firearms licence and a permit to bulk purchase ammunition in highly dubious circumstances, within weeks of arriving in the country and without any background checks.
Yeah/Nah
How many times over the last couple of years have we seen pistols or military styled weapons have been seized by police in raids etc?
The answer is frequently, however what is never mentioned is that these types of firearms have ALWAYS been registered since at least post Aromoana and always been subject to strict security requirements however there is never any followup to how these firearms ended up in criminals hands.
The answers are fairly simple:
1/ They were obtain through theft etc
2/ They are un-identifiable or
3/ They entered the country illegally.
In the case of option 1 these are fairly rare and when they do show up because they have been registered are easily traced back. Because of the cost and rarity of these legimate owners are keen to recover them or their cost so if are stolen are almost always reported and the cases where they haven’t been over the last 30 years can be counted on less than 10 fingers.
In the case of 2 (about 60%) it is usually because the serial numbers have been ground off. In some cases because they may be able to be traced because of the rare nature of some and what has been reported but more common military type weapons (eg AR 15) this is very hit/miss.
The remaining 40% however are completely invisible. There is no record of import/sale (something that has always occurred with sales via dealers but not the private market) or anything. These typically are smuggled via the same criminal networks as drugs etc.
In some ways guns are even easier to smuggle in as a stripped down firearm look very similar to any other mechanical part during if xrayed.
We do know from both our own experience and the experience of other countries attempts to create a registered that the costs are constantly higher than estimated and their accuracy is less than planned.
So with this knowledge what exactly will a register change?
Personally as a shooter myself I have no issue with my firearms been registered (with the possible exception one antique rifle I have that has no serial number due to its age and uncertainty about how this will be dealt with) however I and most of the other shooters I know and have spoken to don’t believe it will make any difference and the funding could be better used to improve safety in our society.
One change that could be made overnight for almost zero cost is the judiciary using the laws currently available stop handing out wet bus tickets to those who use, possess etc firearms illegally.
It used to be that the weapon was registered but not the owner. I still have my registration certificate for an old 3 0.
It’s hard to see how registering the gun is any more invasive than registering the owner. Registering both allows the tracing of seised firearms to their source. Whether stolen or bought.
What is the objection Act identifies?
D J S
It’s simple, if you want to own a firearm show you are a responsible person and register it. If you can’t be bothered then you are not a ‘fit and proper person’.
No, it won’t stop the crims having guns, but over time it will place a level of control on them.
Those owners that sold them to crims rather than hand them in during the amnesty just prove not all gun owners are responsible people.
Who offers a better price? The government or the mobs?
A lot of people made good money from the Buyback. Thanks taxpayers, was that money well spent, swapping old guns for new?
Our latest spruiker Free Pash above. Another tedious village idiot to join our Bobblehead. Democracy is tedious. Sigh.
200 Million is a lot of money for this.
It might be the answer to stop the guns going to gangs through legitimate wankers who sell them to the gangs.
There are no means currently of following them – so a registration at new store purchase, voluntary by owners followed by firearms anniversary checks might be fine.
As usual with the govt – how complicated will they make it?
I must register my car, I must register my dog if I had one.
Essentially, I need to register my identity to obtain a passport.
People who whine about complying with a simple procedure that will likely save at least some lives really are precious little slimebags living at the bottom of the sewer.
There is no reason to suppose that registration will save any lives. Indeed it is more likely to do the opposite. THE INTENT IS NOT TO SAVE LIVES BUT TO INCREASE REVENUE IN THE SHORT TERM BEFORE PRIVATE OWNERSHIP IS ABOLISHED AS CLAUS SCHWAB WANTS,
Would you submit to a warrantless search? That’s an effective crime fighting tool.
I have had a firearms licence since early 1995. The Arms Officers in Auckland city were very thorough, insisting on gun security that matched the letter of the law (no locked cupboards for instance) and would record every firearm & air weapon I owned at each licence renewal. Even though I don’t own any firearms anymore, they have insisted proper security is in place just in case. The background checks on me have been thorough and, I thought, clever at times in asking the right questions.
My stepfather in Taranaki kept his firearms in a wooden box with a hasp & staple that could be picked up & carried away and that was OK. My ex-girlfriend’s father in Rural South Kaipara Head also put a hasp & staple on a flimsy cupboard and that was also OK with the local cops. Both had external screws into the wood that would take a minute to undo.
Aramoana wouldn’t have happened if the Police at the time had enforced the existing laws, Christchurch wouldn’t have happened if the Police had done the proper checks.
So no, I don’t think Labour’s virtue-signalling gun crack-down on law-abiding firearms licence holders has made society any safer. NZer’s don’t have the shoot first attitude that is prevalent in the USA.
Scarey picture. I am imagining strains of Deliverance Banjo Music playing in my head looking at the glaikit looks on their faces.
The evidence is clear.
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/us/2023/05/14/gun-violence-rates-fareeds-take-gps-vpx.cnn
Gun control is all that stands between us and the wild west.
Do we want to be a mini-USA or not?
We had a gun registry in the 1950s and earlier. It was scrapped because IT DID NOT WORK.
And most inventions did not work initially until they did.
Doing stupid things again & again, is not learning, it’s just being stupid.
Martin Bradbury doesn’t seem to understand that people kill people no matter what the weapon is. Firearms are a small percentage of homicide weapons, knives are much higher. So should there be a registry of knives?
Bradbury should be targeting (?) how an Australian terrorist was granted a firearms licence by police when he failed to have required referees, applied in Hamilton when he lived in Dunedin and was reportedly being ‘watched’ by Australian security surveillance.
The police sadly failed to vet him properly so he went on to create carnage.
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