Posie Parker, NZ Free Speech and the Trans Debate Tragedy

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The Trans culture war debate has reignited  in NZ with the  arrival of Anti-Trans Troll and anger grifter, Posie Parker, whose recent speech in Australia saw Nazi’s joining her in solidarity.

As a rule of thumb, when Nazis are joining you in solidarity, that’s not a win.

When it comes to the whole Trans debate, I’m old fashioned. I think finding your true self and being comfortable in your own skin is one of the most important journeys of the human experience.

The idea that there are some men who believe they are women and some women who believe they are men and some people who believe they are both and some people who believe they are neither is as uncontroversial to me as the range of human skin, eye and hair colour.

Referring to someone by their preferred pronouns and identity is just basic good will courtesy offered to every fellow citizen.

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If a trans person wishes to share a prison cell or locker room with me, I don’t care, but where I get cancelled by the woke is when I also agree that biological women have a right to philosophically and intellectually challenge some of the identity politics dogma that is being used here.

Unfortunately that legitimate debate is not what is happening with Posie’s open air speech in the weekend.

Posie Parker is a toxic hate troll anger grifter who doesn’t want a debate, she wants publicity and more clickbait donors.

There is a legitimate debate between gender critical feminists and trans activists but what does it say about that debate when gender critical feminists have been pushed all the way over to the side of Nazis?

I have many self declaring feminist women who privately tell me they have real misgivings with some of the Trans woke dogma but are terrified of saying anything because the Fourth Wave Feminists, non-binary activists and trans ally vegan mommy bloggers rip them to pieces on social media. Part of the problem is that the Trans activists themselves have helped make this debate so radioactively toxic with their cancel culture dynamics.

Even though Posie Parker may be a toxic hate troll anger grifter, she has the right to free speech.

This is a liberal progressive democracy and while I certainly think Posie Parker is a bad faith actor, she has the right to speak, equally however, we all have the right to protest her and challenge her.

For me the true tragedy here for the Trans community is how quickly their alienating and over the top attacks along with their fourth wave feminist allies have eroded and burnt so much of the good will the rainbow community had built in the 80s, 90s and 00s.

The rainbow community pre Trans activism had worked to make love and family inclusive, the new woke Trans activists built pure temple cliques that created diversity by cancelling everyone who didn’t agree with them.

This entire issue has caused immense damage on the Left and rather than debating the material well being of citizens, we are lost in middle class identity politics virtue signalling that censors rather than answers and in that cultural space, anger grifters like Posie Parker flourish.

I remember trying to tell the woke 5 years ago not to start a free speech culture war. ACT was on .7 until woke activists gave Seymour the free speech ammunition and he’s now 12%.

Please sweet Jesus, could the middle class woke stop fucking the Class Left before the election?

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265 COMMENTS

  1. Given that trans people are a tiny portion of the community they can certainly raise a lot of volume. Consequently you’d assume that this must be a matter of the highest importance. It is not, we’ve got a war that threatens to go nuclear, we’ve got inflation that means less food for poor families. That and much more are far more important.

    Meanwhile Posy poses. Wokesters virtue signal. How narcissistic. To hell with both.

    • You don’t think women’s rights are as important as the war in Ukraine.
      The reason there is a war is that men rule the world and have done so for over 10,000 years.
      They rule on behalf of patriarchal capitalism, now imperialism East and West!
      Trans ideology is the last gasp of the Patriarchy to enslave women by redefining, language, law and science to claim men can replace women.
      To stop the war the war toys have to be stripped from the boys.
      Posie Parker is the model of a fighting woman who puts her body on the line not to impress people or make money, but to rally women to speak, stand up and fight, against the the inhuman corrupted institutions of the capitalocene.
      Women as part of nature are the future, and you better pick a side in this sex-class war because the war started millennia ago. It did not break out in Ukraine, or WW1 or in in the French Revolution.
      It began in the Mesolithic and continues in our homes, streets, schools and workplaces.
      Its called the class war.
      Which side are you on?

  2. Can’t believe Freedom of Speech won and she was allowed to come.

    Maybe a Alt right conspiracy???

    MEDIAWATCH: Woke attack on Dr Bryce Edwards highlights dangers of activists alienating voters
    https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2023/01/24/mediawatch-woke-attack-on-dr-bryce-edwards-highlights-dangers-of-activists-alienating-voters/

    I’m looking forward to the woke going berserko – two triggers in one protest – thinking woman are biological and white supremacist hanger-ons.

    Since woke cancelled protest as being too racist – I’m looking forward to some old fashioned protest debate with the rabid woke having to get off their arses and do something outside of their bullying and angry attacks via keyboards, twitter and talkfests.

    • Me to. I would luv to see a parliamentary protest by the woke. Hope we see them out there with there little woke placards would bring a smile to my face. Hope a few get so peeved the cops can arrest a couple.

  3. Just guessing, but I’d be very surprised if the nazis were invited.
    More likely they totally gatecrashed the event without organiser’s prior knowledge?

  5. 20 kids turned up uninvited at your protest dressed in black and flashing Nazi salutes doesn’t make you a bad person. So, what IS at stake here?

    > Forced language. In some western nations they’ve tried to get bills past forcing the individual to use specified pronouns.
    > Unsuccessful male athletes identifying as Trans ‘women’ and taking over women’s sport.
    > Predators identifying as Trans ‘women’ and getting into female toilets, changing rooms and prisons.
    > The genital mutilation of minors because they say might be another gender. (My family in the UK have this battle ongoing currently. Teachers won’t even inform parents of what is going on)
    > Denying even the existence of women through abuse of the English language with the use of terms like ‘chest feeding’, ‘birthing person’ etc. This is now official language in the UK, US and here.

    • Sterling misinformation & fearmongering effort there! Lol. Suggest you get some education, friend xx

        • That’s right, Mike. The anti trans moral panic is a product of the far right & Christian conservatives. It’s sad & disgusting that lefties & a minority of feminists but into their lies.

          • Sophora. One doesn’t have to be ‘ far right’ or a ‘ Christian conservative’ to query critical ethical issues such as the administering of puberty blockers and hormone replacement therapy to supposedly transgender under-age children. I am neither, but I strongly query both.

    • In which the old transphobe hero attempts to remain relevant.

      The National Council of Women of NZ would beg to differ on her views.

  7. There were white supremacists at at least one of the TPPA protests.
    What about that?
    Cancel culture seems to want to cancel by physical proximity now which becomes more insane by the second.
    The lady in question here has strongly disavowed the nazis that turned up in Australia, what else can she do? Shut up because her narrative isn’t the accepted one by the woke cult?
    That’s what is being attempted here isn’t it.

  8. Martyn, I have a lot of respect for you but on this issue you are seriously I’ll informed.

    I am busy right now but later I will post a video clip of Kiwi Sacha, a detransitioner. I urge you to watch it. I can almost guarantee you will change your ind about the women who are speaking up about this harmful ideology.

    btw I would like you to consider changing the picture of Posie. This is a screen shot of one of her videos. She is gesticulating not using the white supremicists symbols. By using it you are smearing a women who facilitates women, who have een cancelled and vilified, a voice.

    Why do you not want to let women speak?

    • “She is gesticulating”? Right and all those Nazis are using their arms to indicate the direction of inflation

  9. Examples of professionalism in NZ now. The woke scared off the real professionals and now we increasingly have angry, self interested, rabid people everywhere in our wokeforce!

    Accountant who billed clients after being fired found guilty of ‘disgraceful’ behaviour
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/accountant-who-billed-clients-after-being-fired-found-guilty-of-disgraceful-behaviour/NVKRFR337VAR3MWIR5DPPANFV4/

    Embattled West Auckland lawyer goes to ground, allegedly refusing to release client’s $600,000
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/embattled-west-auckland-lawyer-goes-to-ground-with-over-600000-of-clients-money/LNPIWKKH75HRLO6ZOAKUQ3RXYI/

    Lawyer Boon Hong struck-off after transferring client’s property into his name and trying to evict them
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/lawyer-boon-hong-struck-off-after-transferring-clients-property-into-his-name-and-trying-to-evict-them/CDL5DWOLKE5Y3C4LHEATNCSU5U/

    Unqualified engineer who lied on CV guilty of 38 fraud charges, fined for ethics breach
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300587541/unqualified-engineer-who-lied-on-cv-guilty-of-38-fraud-charges-fined-for-ethics-breach

    Don’t worry they will get a slap on the wrist, and be on their way to prosper off others in NZ, after years of appeals, while they claim they are right.

    Trans-gender rights more important to woke than functioning society with skilled people. Those breaching professional ethics just carry on in NZ, demanding they are in the right. Enablement based on how NZ functions now and who we attract to live here and what is important to the woke (self ID gender) rather than pressing problems that are getting worse for those that live here – ripped off by professionals operating here as well as the usual burglaries, ram raids, hold ups and random violence.

  10. Sometimes, when reading about this debate I wonder what planet am I on.

    Martyn, you are 100% on target.

  11. I agree with Matt s view point on the excellent Working Group last night. I dont want a bunch of men or women that used to be men Playing woman s sport.

    In a democracy we hear all view s.

    • Marco+Battler. I don’t want them sharing my or my daughter’s or granddaughter’s lavatory or changing room spaces either.

  12. I’m not sure who started the TERF *pun*wars – was it the trans or feminist communities ( though I believe – from comments made by Germaine Green – obviously some felt disgust towards trans in the 60s movement). However the gender critical arguments don’t seem to stack up. I’ve heard a bunch – all seem to fall into ‘men are trying to pretend they are women to either steal there stuff – like sports awards or – let’s not beat around the bush – rape them’. Just fury. The trans argument – from what I can gleen ( not from Twitter – it is not real world folks) – is they want to be able to do just what Martyn says he want. Be. An easy frame would be Georgina Beyer. Would you ask her to use the Male toilets? Did she transition just to win the mayorship? Would you call her Mr Beyer?

      • It is just REALLY concerning me how this is infecting people who I’d have expected to think – and research! – more about things, in a country who celebrated the first trans mayor just a short time ago! All I can say it “first they came for the trans….”

    • I think Georgina Beyer made up her own mind as to what she did. And didn’t have a cheerleading team influencing her. People who think about changing gender and go about the change as a personal choice have been accepted for quite a time and she is an example. Seemed a very balanced person, RIP. Another woman who made the change had a very interesting and fulfilling life in both genders, Jan Morris, who wrote mostly travel and location-themed books.

      • From what I’ve read here there are a lot of people who will NOT accept a person’s choice to transition :they sound like they hate them. I am with you – if it is the case – about getting in my face with “people who menstruate” or “chest feeding” – ugh – but again it’s about that whole Professional Managerial Class: they are a bunch of morons who couldn’t even get a job clearing tables yet ponce around ‘kentai clothing’ inclusions cause they’re so in-tune, unlike us plebs. They are sad and I don’t care what they say.

  14. Well done Immigration on letting this stinking sidewalk stain into the country. Astonishing given its history of courting fascists & promoting intolerance & social division. Not least threatening the PM that should mean an instant failure of the character test.

    It certainly doesn’t speak for me & I hope it gets a good lesson while it’s here!

    • Sophora. You seem to have a problem with being a woman. It might help to listen to what other females have to say instead of dehumanising them and promoting intolerance and social division.

      • Lol, the anti-trans lot are the dehumanisers here! Why else do they call trans women men & deny their identities & so forth?

        I have no time to listen to women who pick on vulnerable minorities. Life’s too short.

    • Sophora: “…this stinking sidewalk stain….”

      If you were hoping to convince others of the rightness (pardon the pun) of your stance, this is a peculiar way to go about it. Slinging insults around doesn’t help your cause. Such as it is.

  16. 1. They are not Nazis they are Neo Nazis.
    2. They are neither supporters of Parker nor there for her benefit.
    3. They are there because they hate trans people or more sinisterly they are there on behalf of others who want to associate Parker with neo Nazis which seems to have been successfully achieved.
    Parker is at pains to point out that men, both the neo nazis and the extremest trans supporters are preventing women from speaking which is mysogyny by definition.
    She has a point.

  18. Sex, sex where would we be without it??
    Keep off Tinder, you can be dead quickly, or get a lingering nasty disease that seems gets spread – syphilis. (And then there is Chlamidia?) If you aren’t already brain dead, watch that syphilis .
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/486496/spike-in-syphilis-cases-practicing-safe-sex-and-testing-crucial-ministry-says
    New data from ESR shows a 41 percent jump in cases in 2022 – from 99 in the first three months of the year to 140 in the last three months.
    The data shows an 81 percent increase between the first and last quarter of 2022 in cases among men who have sex with men and a 76 percent increase among men who have sex with women during the same period.

    “Syphilis is preventable and can be treated,” Manatū Hauora director of public health Dr Nicholas Jones said.
    “Many people with syphilis do not have any symptoms or have only minor symptoms that may go unnoticed. Testing and treatment for syphilis is a crucial part of control of the disease, along with condom use. ”

    If untreated syphilis can affect the brain, and other organs as well as increasing the risk of getting HIV. In pregnancy it can lead to stillbirths, congenital abnormalities, and severe illness in babies, the ministry said.

    Syphilis appears as a centrepoint in some of Anne Perry’s Victorian-themed novels. There was a desire to ignore the breaking of sexual behaviour social and real laws at that time, and the outcomes could startle. A big secret in the circles of upper-class society. Don’t let today’s sexual licence start off such problems now.

    Bluegate Fields (Charlotte & Thomas Pitt, #6) by Anne Perry
    Goodreads
    https://www.goodreads.com › 40712028-bluegate-fields
    They are, of course, shocked that their son has been murdered. But there is worse to come–his body shows signs of sexual abuse and the beginnings of syphilis.

    Callender Square – The Charlotte and Thomas Pitt Novels Series – ebook – Scribd
    https://www.scribd.com › Ebooks › Historical Mystery
    Someone on posh Callander Square will kill to keep a secret in this … boy had been sexually violated and infected with syphilis before he was murdered..

  19. The interview I watched with Parker was pretty standard fare.

    I wouldnt describe it as anti trans, more pro biological women. And it makes sense, not actually fringe at all. Biological women fought to get equality in sport but now in some sports girls are walking away in droves because they know they cant compete. So we have given rights to under 1% of the population by taking away rights from 51%. Where is the logic in that? Why cant we have 3 classes in sport, M, F and gender diverse? Wouldnt that be fair?

    What about being in a mall packed with thousands of people and not feeling safe to send your 8 yr old into the loo alone. Not because you think transgender woman are pedophiles but because now any human trafficker or pedo can put on a dress and go into the toilets with them.

    And what about the women who are in refuges? What is the meaning of refuge? Who are the women taking refuge from?

    Again, there may be perfectly law abiding trans women there who also need help but you have a rape victim go in the showers to be confronted by a male bodied woman dressing next to them? They may be traumatised and dont feel safe. (And yes this is happening with some regularity) Can refuges have separate sections for male bodied people? Do they have the funding for it? Or do we not think vulnerable women are deserving of feeling safe at a refuge?

    Finally, there are woman across the Uk getting raped or impregnated in prison? Occassionally this is because a non binary? person strikes up a relationship with another woman but mostly its because a hetero rapist can change their sex before their court date and get a lesser sentence because they are transgender and confused and then the fox is allowed into the hen house and has free reign in a womans prison. It’s a travesty. And there are many other examples as well.

    The argument is not about whether trans people should be valued in society. I believe most of us do accept them as part of society. It is about whether their rights should be greater than the rights of women who are also vulnerable and make up the largest section of the population. And whether we can all sit down and agree on a way forward.

    I cant speak to Parker’s motivations but I dont think she is a fascist or a trans hater although I admit I dont know any more about her than the 20 minute interview I watched.

  20. Posie Parker, or whoever the F she is, is just Phyllis Schafly with a peroxide bottle in her bathroom.
    Another bible bashing bigot who wants control people’s lives. She can get fucked, quite frankly.

  21. As the old wife says I doesn’t matter what you identify as, in 100 years when they dig up your skeleton you will be identified as Male/Female.

  22. Another day, another example of a dividend people. The billionaire/ruling class are falling over themselves with laughter, yet again, as they will might, given that they are the architects of this division. Added bonus to them, free speech takes another hit at the same time. Can’t let the people discuss issues among themselves for long after all, common ground may be reached. Best to neutralise such occasions before they grow, say the elitists… they win again.

  23. Like many if not most, I had never heard of this woman before. I also haven’t paid much attention to the whole trans issue. They are such a small minority and I have only ever felt sympathy for them given their struggles with discrimination and suicide.

    It’s hard to avoid all the debate currently around gender issues and whilst I have largely ignored it I was curious enough to google Posey Parker. I found and watched an interview with her and have to conclude that she is nothing more than the child who called out the Emperor’s New Clothes.

    As a man, I don’t have any reason to fear the consequences of the increased profile and influence of transgender people. I have thought it is kind of crazy that biological men can compete in women’s sports or go to women’s prisons. As it doesn’t affect me directly I have no reason to pay much attention to it. In the list of things to worry about in the world today it doesn’t seem to be anywhere close to the top of any list of priorities.

    She makes some very valid points that are certainly worthy of debate. I guess at the end of the day the publicity she has managed to attain has led me to pay more attention to this issue. Of course she should be allowed to come here and speak. Her opponents have done nothing more than raise her profile. Maybe that’s exactly what she wanted all along.

    • McKiwi: “…I had never heard of this woman before.”

      I hadn’t, either. I was obliged to Google her to find out what all the fuss was about.

      “She makes some very valid points that are certainly worthy of debate.”

      That’s my conclusion as well. For the life of me, I cannot see why she’s been labelled “anti-trans”. What she says sounds pretty unexceptionable to me.

  24. I see Uganda has introduced the death penalty for being LGBT. I’m guessing most posters on here would support it.

  25. Kellie-Jay Keen along with J. K. Rowling, Graham Linhan (‘Father Ted’ & ‘IT Crowd’ writer – now cancelled), and so many others, are supporters of women’s rights and have have suffered for their cause, striving to protect women’s and girls’ rights to safe spaces, (toilets, female sports, hospital wards, Rape Crisis and Women’s prisons).

    The NZ media and TV1 use the epithet ‘anti-trans rights activist’ rather than what she calls her self, a pro-women activist’.

    The insinuation that the group ‘Let women speak’ will be the cause of terrible violence and yet one need only had to enter two queries onto the internet.
    ‘Women attacked by trans activists.’ and ‘Trans activists attacked by women’.
    The answers may give a perhaps fairer idea of who is doing the thuggery.
    Not sure figures for NZ but in the UK, men commit 84% of violent crimes and 98% of sexual offences and so odds are Kellie-Jay is not hear to terrorise men or trans women with her fists, just not lady-like.

    Our media and some ‘youngsters’ seem entirely unaware of the hassle that Kellie-Jay Keen and her supporters have received when trying to just have a debate or discussion about women’s rights.
    They are shouted down and ‘peacefully’ drowned out with noise (it’s to be bagpipes in Wellington).
    What are they scared of hearing and if they don’t wan’t to get upset and frightened – don’t go.

    Most women’s groups have been attacked and there is more than enough video footage of this and the police are there for their (Speak Up For Women) protection not the protestors with their megaphones and signs calling on to ‘decapitate all terfs’ and much worse.
    The violence mostly come from one side and it’s not Kellie-Jay’s

    The Trans activists (not the ones who just quietly want to get on with their life) have so much ‘power’ in the UK, USA and Canada; even having a paid poster reading “I ❤ JK Rowling” to be displayed at Waverley Station in Edinburgh, taken down. A poster about a beloved children’s author – how scary.

    As far as injury in sports and girls punish and stood down from school; because they don’t want to see naked students with male genitalia in their changing room or toilets – but they (the girls) are the hate group.

    About 2% of the population (trans) are ensuring that their rights (privileges); trump 50% of the population (females). There is little debate on what the women want but always blocked, because of fear of not being seen as virtuous and victim caring enough – forgetting our women sand girls, our daughters, granddaughters being told what they must put up and even lose as in their sports and privacy.

    Kellie-Jay Keen’s group in the UK or anywhere has no association with that masked group of males and disgraceful if Kellie-Jay Keen is stopped entering NZ because of false accusations and those trying so hard to tie them together – dishonest.

  26. Surely women and trans can coexist while we also have the maturity to accept that they are ‘NOT THE SAME’

    It is sad that women are (yet again) being bullied into accepting the rigid interpretation of an issue by a group of men.

    Once again men are telling women
    -What a woman is
    -What a woman can say
    -Where she is allowed to go

    The whole ‘hate speech’ and Nazi is just a deceitful sideshow that ignores the womans actual stated views.
    Even if you disagree with her you don’t have the right to distort her views.

  27. Posey Parker is a far right trojan horse in the thinly veiled guise of a “woman’s rights” activist to use as a platform to inject far right hate idealogy for the the purposes of baiting two rights groups to attack each other. Strategic pure gold. Consider your next steps carefully.

  28. Parker posted to Twitter and said she was leaving “the worst place for women she has ever visited”.
    Oh for gods sake dahling…NZ doesn’t hate all women, they only specificly hate YOU as an independant drama trash doll idiot!

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